Castellan Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 28 minutes ago, R2D said: Youre agreeing with me yep but I am disagreeing about them being associated with wealth and prestige. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R2D Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Castellan said: yep but I am disagreeing about them being associated with wealth and prestige. Well idk I'm talking about South Asian arranged marriages where it's mostly about the dowries the bride's family can offer and where casteism still persists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S. D Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 It wasn't really a debate because it was just one guy calling everyone sexist for not agreeing with him but basically his argument was that Cersei raped Robert because Robert would come into her bedchamber will drunk and she would have to give him handjobs and blowjobs so that he wouldn't force himself upon her. Apparently Robert was too drunk to consent and so Cersei raped him, even though he was the one initiating and demanding sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 8 hours ago, R2D said: Well idk I'm talking about South Asian arranged marriages where it's mostly about the dowries the bride's family can offer and where casteism still persists. That's interesting. I was thinking you meant arranged marriages are a minority associated with a particular wealthy class. Are arranged marriages a rule or only for high castes people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigella Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 Me and @Lord Varys discussing which degree of incest is morally acceptable is honestly a topic I’d avoid like the plague in person. Before reading this series I would say its a black and white question but thanks to GRRM its now grey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Raventree Hall Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 4:43 AM, SeanF said: Along with Janos Slynt and the Boltons being the good guys. Don’t forget Tywin. I’ll say that as mine. Tywin having a fan base that excuse everything he does and in fact, more than that, seem to look up to or even worship Tywin. Having debates or whether Tywin is a bad person or not is not something I expected to have to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Raventree Hall Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 I should also say though : The discussion of whether Cersei’s rape was morally acceptable because she is a bad person was one I did not expect to have either. Here I thought all modern human beings were in aggreance that rape is always a bad thing and no one deserves to be raped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 40 minutes ago, Lord of Raventree Hall said: I should also say though : The discussion of whether Cersei’s rape was morally acceptable because she is a bad person was one I did not expect to have either. Here I thought all modern human beings were in aggreance that rape is always a bad thing and no one deserves to be raped. The moderators squash such arguments swiftly. Other fora contain arguments that Cersei/Daenerys/Catelyn deserved rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, SeanF said: Cersei/Daenerys/Catelyn deserved rape. Wait just a second.... So Cersei and Dany were both raped (not legally speaking from Westerosi standards, but in every other way imaginable) But Cat??? WTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: Wait just a second.... So Cersei and Dany were both raped (not legally speaking from Westerosi standards, but in every other way imaginable) But Cat??? WTF? Some other fora can be really quite nasty. Why people develop obsessive hate towards fictional people is probably a question for psychologists. In this case, it comes from misogynists who hate Cat for "abusing" Jon/starting the War of the Five Kings/abandoing her children at Winterfell/refusing to convert to her husband's religion etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, SeanF said: Some other fora can be really quite nasty. Why people develop obsessive hate towards fictional people is probably a question for psychologists. In this case, it comes from misogynists who hate Cat for "abusing" Jon/starting the War of the Five Kings/abandoing her children at Winterfell/refusing to convert to her husband's religion etc. You misunderstand me. I understand people hating on Cat, she's not the most likable character, actually at times she a very dislikable character. What I didn't get was the part that "Other fora contain arguments that Cersei/Daenerys/Catelyn deserved rape" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarial Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 2:56 PM, SeanF said: Blame the show, where Sam suddenly switched to thinking Randyll was a great dad who was unfairly executed. I wish I could, but sadly this debate was way before that happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azarial Posted October 5, 2020 Share Posted October 5, 2020 On 10/3/2020 at 6:44 AM, David Selig said: I remember how one poster here, who had the worst case of Jon Snow fanboyism and Catelyn hatred I've ever seen, claimed that Catelyn treated Jon worse than Cersei treated Robert's bastards even though Cersei literally had Robert's bastards killed. Cersei herself comments on Cat being to soft to kill him in his cradle like she thinks Cat should have done! I don't like Cat, for various reasons, but there is no denying Cersei is way worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Valyria Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 11:17 PM, Rose of Red Lake said: Whether Dany was bleeding out of her vagina or her asshole. It certainly must've been an interesting debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Valyria Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 3:41 PM, Azarial said: Cersei herself comments on Cat being to soft to kill him in his cradle like she thinks Cat should have done! I don't like Cat, for various reasons, but there is no denying Cersei is way worse. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterweedstrover Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 11:00 AM, SeanF said: The seminal thread "Sansa; The Portrait of a Psycopath." lol, I wish I could read that. Is there a link or TDLR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Stark Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 On 10/1/2020 at 11:00 AM, SeanF said: The seminal thread "Sansa; The Portrait of a Psycopath." I mean... At least with Arya there is a case to make for psychopathy. But Sansa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Leftwich Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Years ago someone posited that: "A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice, and filled the air with sweetness. . ." Was in fact a metaphor/vision of Brienne, because the colors of Tarth are rose and azure. (Among the worst "word search" theories that has ever been.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee-Sensei Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 On 10/3/2020 at 6:44 AM, David Selig said: I remember how one poster here, who had the worst case of Jon Snow fanboyism and Catelyn hatred I've ever seen, claimed that Catelyn treated Jon worse than Cersei treated Robert's bastards even though Cersei literally had Robert's bastards killed. I just came across this line again recently. Catelyn has been unfairly demonized IMO. Catelyn Tully was a mouse, or she would have smothered this Jon Snow in his cradle. Instead, she's left the filthy task to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 On 10/2/2020 at 6:04 AM, TedBear said: Hot pie is a secret targaryen. Doubt the bastard son of the Mad King at your own peril. Born amidst the salt and smoke of the kitchen, Hot Pie is our savior. Azor Ahai reborn to save us all from hunger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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