A Horse Named Stranger Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 Meh, stupid Ponys. Letting a 2-0 lead slip and conceding the equalisier in injury time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskaral Pust Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Really disjointed showing, as expected. Minamino and Origi didn’t help their cause at all, Milner doesn’t have the legs to play in MF anymore, and now Fabinho is injured too. On the bright side, we got a win while resting the players as much as possible, Trent finally looked a lot sharper, Shaqiri showed some good moments of skill and Jota scored again (and looked better on the left than the right, before disappearing again). The whole season will be an ugly grind. The players will be exhausted and picking up muscle strains and struggling for form as they’re in and out and the line-up is never settled. Maybe the fans will enjoy the unpredictability it brings but I doubt we’ll see a lot of quality. I’m not sure how we plan to defend against Antonio at the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soylent Brown Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Antonio always scores against us anyway, never mind at the weekend when we'll probably have Adrian playing at centre back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Another day, another load of manure from Frank Lampard. This time he says that English managers don't get enough respect. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/27/frank-lampard-wants-homegrown-managers-to-be-shown-more-respect Yes, if only we could watch more Big Cup matches led by managers such as Tim Sherwood, Steve Bruce, Roy Hodgson, Sam Allardyce, Neil Warnock, Alan Pardew, Howard Wilkinson, Steve McClaren, Joe Royle, Harry Redknapp, Peter Reid, Nigel Pearson, Bryan Robson, and Glen Roeder. Such scintillating football! So few opportunities to manage their teams to success! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 What I find interesting about the ‘English manager’ thing, is that outside of a few exceptions, they all play the same dull long ball , low block way. I think that is changing these days with Potter and well.. Eddie Howe but there is still a good chunk of English or British managers who are brought in to do a job because the offer safety and solidity. Hopefully we are starting to catch-up now, and you do see a number of younger managers attempting more progressive styles of play, but as a culture we’ve for some reason been incredibly slow to innovate with tactics or try something new, compared to Italy or Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 12 hours ago, Wilbur said: Another day, another load of manure from Frank Lampard. This time he says that English managers don't get enough respect. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/27/frank-lampard-wants-homegrown-managers-to-be-shown-more-respect Yes, if only we could watch more Big Cup matches led by managers such as Tim Sherwood, Steve Bruce, Roy Hodgson, Sam Allardyce, Neil Warnock, Alan Pardew, Howard Wilkinson, Steve McClaren, Joe Royle, Harry Redknapp, Peter Reid, Nigel Pearson, Bryan Robson, and Glen Roeder. Such scintillating football! So few opportunities to manage their teams to success! It's clearly nonsense to say that English managers don't get opportunities: there is no way that Steve Bruce would have been given a top-flight job in any league at this point in his career if he weren't English. But I also think it's unfair to stereotype English managers. Many of the above names play a particular style of football but the younger managers, including Lampard himself, are more versatile and varied in their approach. It also gets forgotten that the likes of Allardyce and Wilkinson were, in their day and in their way, innovators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorshach Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Re: Antonio, I guess his odds of soon being injured himself is about 50/50, so I'd go for that, were I Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, mormont said: It's clearly nonsense to say that English managers don't get opportunities: there is no way that Steve Bruce would have been given a top-flight job in any league at this point in his career if he weren't English. But I also think it's unfair to stereotype English managers. Many of the above names play a particular style of football but the younger managers, including Lampard himself, are more versatile and varied in their approach. It also gets forgotten that the likes of Allardyce and Wilkinson were, in their day and in their way, innovators. It is sort of true that English managers don't get opportunities at top clubs, but it isn't some grand conspiracy. Essentially the Premier League recruits managers from across the world and the top 6 at least are looking for managers who have a proven track record. That means they need to have won titles or european trophies or come close to it. The problem is that you can't win titles and trophies if you aren't a manager at a top 6 club, because we all know how it works. So it's catch 22. The only answer is to go abroad and win something there and hopefully get noticed, or very gradually over time gain such a good reputation here by pushing the top 6 with a mid table club consistently that someone will take a chance on you. (or you are a club legend and the board are desperate to distract from their own incompetence) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soylent Brown Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 23 minutes ago, Rorshach said: Re: Antonio, I guess his odds of soon being injured himself is about 50/50, so I'd go for that, were I Liverpool. I'm not sure I follow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorshach Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Just now, Soylent Brown said: I'm not sure I follow? Michael Antonio gets injured a lot. So I'd pray for one of those hamstrings or whatever he tends to get ever so often. As he has been on fire at the start, it's inevitable it's just around the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereward Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, Rorshach said: Michael Antonio gets injured a lot. So I'd pray for one of those hamstrings or whatever he tends to get ever so often. As he has been on fire at the start, it's inevitable it's just around the corner. And Antonio is almost certainly out with a hamstring injury. Curse you, Rorschach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorshach Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hereward said: And Antonio is almost certainly out with a hamstring injury. Curse you, Rorschach! * ponders name change to Nostradamus * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rorshach Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Also, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soylent Brown Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Ah, fair enough. I remember him coming off in their last match now I think about it. He'd still score against us playing on one leg, so it might be worth Moyesey having a think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 6 hours ago, mormont said: including Lampard himself, are more versatile and varied in their approach. I wouldn't necessarily call Lampard- or indeed Howe or some of the others- versatile, just differently set; but they are certainly more interested in playing a brand of exciting passing football. 6 hours ago, mormont said: It also gets forgotten that the likes of Allardyce and Wilkinson were, in their day and in their way, innovators. Yeah Allardyce has become a bit of a comedy figure as events overtook him and he turned into a caricature of himself, but in the Bolton days he was well ahead of the curve in a lot of ways and he was a good manager up until the England nonsense at least, after which he seemd to fall apart somewhat. Anyway, more rotation, Van De Beek gets his start, Pogba with him, Greenwood up front with Martial in the 442 diamond. I don't like that formation but I am starting to think it's the best way to get the most out of the squad we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunland Lord Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Why did Everton let Moise Kean on loan to PSG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Coz he was shit and his first team chances got obliterated by Dominic Calvert-Lewin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunland Lord Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Probably easier to score in PSG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 Easier to get in the team over Mbappe and Neymare than DCL and Richarlison, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted October 28, 2020 Author Share Posted October 28, 2020 Same way it seems easier to win in the CL than in the EPL, at least for an unnamed club from Manchester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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