Werthead Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 7 hours ago, Mindwalker said: Yes, I think Steve Shives has a whole video about why Conservatives like Trek., I haven't watched it yet. I, too, can imagine many things conservatives would like. That reminds me of something I once read about the viewership of Frasier. I would have thought it was mostly liberal leaning, considering the heroes were two adorably neurotic, liberal, inellectual shrinks (plus a kookie immigrant). But apparently it was quite evenly split. The conservative fans identified with the down-to-earth, more right-leaning Martin. In today's terms, he kinda often owned his lib sons... There's also the fact that Kelsey Grammer was quite a well-known right-wing figure in Hollywood (still is, to some extent), and conservatives interpreted his performance as being mocking of intellectuals. But yeah, conservatives to like Star Trek seem to be a bit in denial about the fact that the Federation is an ultra-socialist utopia that has utterly rejected capitalism and money in all its forms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 It's kind of an Alanis Morissette level of irony... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caligula_K3 Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I'm more than halfway through Discovery season 3. My impression from looking at this thread was that it wasn't well received, but I'm enjoying it a lot. Compared to Discovery season 1, the plot is interesting and has been progressing at a good pace, the characters not named Michael Burnham are getting more development with occasionally interesting conflicts among them, and the worldbuilding for the future is so much better than the Klingon stuff - I can't say how grateful I am that there have been no scenes in which a bunch of Klingons yell "T'KUVMA!" at each other on repeat. It's a good show - but I think the frustrating thing about it is that it could be great with just a few small tweaks. Michael Burnham is the main character and I get that she'll be the main focus, but she just gets shoehorned into everything too much. Scenes in which the doctor tells her "you'd think that this other person would be ideal for dealing with this problem, but the fact that you're not ideal for this problem is exactly what makes you the perfect person to deal with it" get old fast. It doesn't help that I find the actress' choices bizarre; she can clearly act well, but why she's decided to deliver 3/4s of her lines in a whisper is beyond me. I also think the show in general is too maudlin; everything has to be super emotional all the time, whether everyone is happy or sad. Explore other emotional registers, show! Also, please tell your composer to just chill every now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Caligula_K3 said: I'm more than halfway through Discovery season 3. My impression from looking at this thread was that it wasn't well received, but I'm enjoying it a lot. Compared to Discovery season 1, the plot is interesting and has been progressing at a good pace, the characters not named Michael Burnham are getting more development with occasionally interesting conflicts among them, and the worldbuilding for the future is so much better than the Klingon stuff - I can't say how grateful I am that there have been no scenes in which a bunch of Klingons yell "T'KUVMA!" at each other on repeat. It's a good show - but I think the frustrating thing about it is that it could be great with just a few small tweaks. Michael Burnham is the main character and I get that she'll be the main focus, but she just gets shoehorned into everything too much. Scenes in which the doctor tells her "you'd think that this other person would be ideal for dealing with this problem, but the fact that you're not ideal for this problem is exactly what makes you the perfect person to deal with it" get old fast. It doesn't help that I find the actress' choices bizarre; she can clearly act well, but why she's decided to deliver 3/4s of her lines in a whisper is beyond me. I also think the show in general is too maudlin; everything has to be super emotional all the time, whether everyone is happy or sad. Explore other emotional registers, show! Also, please tell your composer to just chill every now and then. Yup, I agree with you on a lot of your points. Over all season 3 was a massive improvement over the first 2 seasons, IMO as well. I just hope they build on from what they learned from this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I would have had a similar comment on the quality of the season at the point you're at and I've been one of the more strident defenders of the show over its 3 seasons. I was probably still "OK" with it right up to the last episode, or at least the second last one, but felt really let down by how it concluded. In particular I felt that the ending completely betrays some of the more interesting plot threads that had been set up throughout the season up to that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Caligula_K3 said: It's a good show - but I think the frustrating thing about it is that it could be great with just a few small tweaks. Wait till the last few episodes, and then we'll talk. There are some baffling story decisions made that make no sense given what viewers have been both shown and told. (Also, something that is inert *cannot* explode! If something is chemically inactive, to have it suddenly explode for no reason whatsoever defies underlying principles of chemistry. Typically it refers to "something that does not take part", meaning it doesn't interact with anything at all. That part of the explanation of the burn drove me *bonkers*.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felice Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, IlyaP said: (Also, something that is inert *cannot* explode! If something is chemically inactive, to have it suddenly explode for no reason whatsoever defies underlying principles of chemistry. Typically it refers to "something that does not take part", meaning it doesn't interact with anything at all. That part of the explanation of the burn drove me *bonkers*.) It doesn't explode itself, it just causes other things to explode because they were relying on it not being inert in order to function safely. It's like if the control rods in a nuclear reactor suddenly stop absorbing neutrons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 2 hours ago, felice said: It doesn't explode itself, it just causes other things to explode because they were relying on it not being inert in order to function safely. It's like if the control rods in a nuclear reactor suddenly stop absorbing neutrons. That makes some sense. I was under the impression the show, when it talked about dilithium, was referring to inert dilithium crystals - but if they're like control rods, that could make a bit more sense. Is that how they've classically worked in Trek lore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 4 hours ago, IlyaP said: That makes some sense. I was under the impression the show, when it talked about dilithium, was referring to inert dilithium crystals - but if they're like control rods, that could make a bit more sense. Is that how they've classically worked in Trek lore? Dilithium crystals basically regulate the flow of matter and antimatter. If dilithium suddenly goes inert, then there's nothing stopping the matter and antimatter from directly coming into contact, which is a Bad Idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 On 2/16/2021 at 11:08 PM, Werthead said: Dilithium crystals basically regulate the flow of matter and antimatter. If dilithium suddenly goes inert, then there's nothing stopping the matter and antimatter from directly coming into contact, which is a Bad Idea. And here I thought they were akin to galactic batteries. That makes it a bit less scientifically frustrating, then. Although if the only thing around that's able to regulate certai types of matter are crystals, methinks it's time to build som alternative solutions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, IlyaP said: And here I thought they were akin to galactic batteries. That makes it a bit less scientifically frustrating, then. Although if the only thing around that's able to regulate certai types of matter are crystals, methinks it's time to build som alternative solutions! The shows have various alternate sources of FTL drive but they also have their own problems: the Romulans' artificial quantum singularities which have a tendency to explode and cause things to go backwards in time; the subspace sail-skimmers which can be really fast but also mind-bogglingly slow; and the quantum slipstream drive which is superfast but very difficult to make work (also I think that still requires dilithium). Transwarp corridors are also a thing, but I get the impression that technology was a bit overpowered and the writers have tried to pretend they don't really exist ever since Voyager ended (because they do massively contradict all prior canon on how fast the Borg can travel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceChampion Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Star Trek: Jellico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 After several delays due to Covid, Picard has started shooting season 2: https://trekmovie.com/2021/02/18/production-has-begun-on-star-trek-picard-season-2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Mindwalker said: After several delays due to Covid, Picard has started shooting season 2: https://trekmovie.com/2021/02/18/production-has-begun-on-star-trek-picard-season-2/ Oh gods why. Wasn't the first season punishment enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I liked it better than Disco, although it certainly had its problems, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlyaP Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, Mindwalker said: I liked it better than Disco, although it certainly had its problems, too. That the show ended up justifying the fears of the Tal Shiar after making us question the legitimacy of it all, resulting in a wildly imbalanced show just left me wondering what the hell went on behind the scenes, as it felt like two, if not nearly three, different shows in one, and thus feeling, well, imbalanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 37 minutes ago, Mindwalker said: I liked it better than Disco, although it certainly had its problems, too. I think it was better than Discovery Seasons 1-2, but 3 had an edge over Picard. The ending of Picard was fairly strange. I live in eternal hope that they'll come up with a reasonably good story that they can deliver a good ending to as well as a decent setup. And perhaps rely a bit less on tedious mysteries that end up either not being very interesting or flat-out batshit weird. Fourth time lucky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fixit Posted February 19, 2021 Share Posted February 19, 2021 With Kurtzman at the helm, don't hold your breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 For all I've been a defender of New Trek, I have to agree with the pessimism regarding his influence on the shows. The S1 of Picard that... I'm blanking on his name, Chabon? wanted to do sounded fantastic and I really wish is what we got to see realised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Lord Posted February 20, 2021 Share Posted February 20, 2021 What did Chabon want? And is the same Chabon what who did write the something something Adventures of Cavalier and Klay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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