IheartIheartTesla Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Please proceed, guvnors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonak Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, IheartIheartTesla said: Reading a few articles, I think Trump is very worried about losing Texas. I still think it will eventually go for him, but its going to be close. Hope down ballot tickets get a boost. I quoted your comment from the other thread hope you don't mind. GOP losing Texas would be a insane blow to them. It might even be enough to force a shift in the GOP platform, if they can get the insane asylum inmates to take their hands off the wheel. Mixed metaphor a bit there. But it would also take the nation's attention away from the damn electoral college, which I'm not sure I like. I want that thing destroyed. The executive office should be a straight popular vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, argonak said: GOP losing Texas would be a insane blow to them. It might even be enough to force a shift in the GOP platform, if they can get the insane asylum inmates to take their hands off the wheel. Mixed metaphor a bit there. It would, but the scenario where Biden wins Texas by 0.5 and wins the popular vote by 10 doesn't exactly mean Texas is a swing state, it just shows that Trump is an abysmal candidate. And while I agree that Republicans reevaluating their crazy party would be an incredibly good thing for this country, it is hard to be optomistic about that sort of thing. And regardless, I expect Biden loses Texas. But I'm really hoping (and expecting) that it continues to move left. It was R+11 in 2016, and if it's R+8 or less now, that would be a really good sign that Texas's days as a red state are coming to an end. Likewise hoping to see that in GA, NC, AZ. Florida too maybe? Can't ever be too optimistic about that state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Early vote update, 10/23: Nationally - 51.1 million votes cast (37% of 2016 total) Swing state votes, as percentage of 2016 votes cast: Pennsylvania - 24% Michigan - 39% Wisconsin - 41% Florida - 50% Georgia - 56% North Carolina - 57% Arizona - 44% Nevada - 33% Texas - 71% 11 Days left. 7 states are already above 50% of their 2016 total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionAhaiReborn Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Republicans won't change after just one election, no matter the margin. They can- probably correctly- assign their loss to Trump's unique blend of incompetence and boorishness, plus a global pandemic and economic recession. But this is a party that turned more extreme after its losses in the 2006, 2008, and 2012 elections, and voters have not punished them for it. They were largely rewarded up until 2018, which, again could just be unique to the Trump phenomenon. They won't change until they have to spend an extended period of time in the wilderness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaston de Foix Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Just now, Maithanet said: It would, but the scenario where Biden wins Texas by 0.5 and wins the popular vote by 10 doesn't exactly mean Texas is a swing state, it just shows that Trump is an abysmal candidate. And while I agree that Republicans reevaluating their crazy party would be an incredibly good thing for this country, it is hard to be optomistic about that sort of thing. And regardless, I expect Biden loses Texas. But I'm really hoping (and expecting) that it continues to move left. It was R+11 in 2016, and if it's R+8 or less now, that would be a really good sign that Texas's days as a red state are coming to an end. Likewise hoping to see that in GA, NC, AZ. Florida too maybe? Can't ever be too optimistic about that state. I want that too but R + 8 is still a pretty big red tinge, and Trump is a unique candidate in a number of ways. Voter revulsion against him is not a reliable portent for the future, sad to say. I think you can only really count on AZ's leftward shift. I think the real driver of change in the R party at the presidential level is if they start having open primaries. Right now and I think for the foreseeable future all the energy is on the Trump side. You see people like Hawley, Cotton, Stefanik all join the dark side. If someone like Romney ran again, he would be crushed, and so would Sasse, Baker and Hogan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 11 days, not two weeks!!! Hooray! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonak Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-issues-that-divide-people-within-each-party/ This is a really interesting article that talks about the way the parties shake out on issues, and how much in agreement each side really is with each other. I find it hugely comforting to see how close the vast majority of Americans are on a lot of issues. This reinforces my feelings that the biggest threat to America right now is the Right Wing propoganda machine that is driving a huge wedge between us when we're really not all that far apart. Quote A universal basic income: 52 percent of Republicans supported guaranteeing all Americans a minimum income, compared to 48 percent who opposed such an idea, per PRRI. Seventy percent of Americans overall, including 88 percent of Democrats, supported a UBI. As an example. I would never have thought 52% of Republicans supported minimum income of any kind. I must have really fallen into an us-them thinking style lately. I need to work harder to evaluate my thinking, but this article really helped me see this plank in my eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, argonak said: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-issues-that-divide-people-within-each-party/ This is a really interesting article that talks about the way the parties shake out on issues, and how much in agreement each side really is with each other. I find it hugely comforting to see how close the vast majority of Americans are on a lot of issues. This reinforces my feelings that the biggest threat to America right now is the Right Wing propoganda machine that is driving a huge wedge between us when we're really not all that far apart. 40% of Republicans saying they definitely would not get a vaccine could solve a lot of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, OnionAhaiReborn said: Republicans won't change after just one election, no matter the margin. They can- probably correctly- assign their loss to Trump's unique blend of incompetence and boorishness, plus a global pandemic and economic recession. But this is a party that turned more extreme after its losses in the 2006, 2008, and 2012 elections, and voters have not punished them for it. They were largely rewarded up until 2018, which, again could just be unique to the Trump phenomenon. They won't change until they have to spend an extended period of time in the wilderness. Agreed. Right now, Republicans are 3-2 in the last 5 even-year elections; losing this year, even losing big, only puts them at 3-3. That's not nearly enough to force them to change, no matter how bad this year is. You gotta be out of power for a long time before you start changing. It took Democrats only have the Presidency for 4 years in a 24 year period for Third Way moderation to take over. Republicans are no where close to that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altherion Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, argonak said: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-issues-that-divide-people-within-each-party/ This is a really interesting article that talks about the way the parties shake out on issues, and how much in agreement each side really is with each other. I find it hugely comforting to see how close the vast majority of Americans are on a lot of issues. That's a pretty interesting article. Here's the tidbit I liked best: Quote A mini-Green New Deal: 46 percent of Republicans opposed a “$2 trillion plan to increase the use of renewable energy and build energy-efficient infrastructure,” and 45 percent of Republicans supported it, according to the New York Times/Siena survey. The question referred neither to Biden nor to the “Green New Deal.” So as long as you don't associate it with Democrats in any way and don't tie to the typical Democrat goals, Republicans are split almost exactly in half on massive infrastructure spending to fight climate change. The $2 trillion figure is from Biden's plan so he might be able to make some headway here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanteGabriel Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Meant to respond to @DireWolfSpirit about Bernie vacating his Senate seat for Secretary of Labor, but the thread closed. I wouldn't say the seat is absolutely safe, as Vermont has a Republican governor and there state is still pretty rural. Mind you, he's the sort of pro-choice, pro-marriage-equality, non-Trump-supporting Republican that seems to only thrive in New England these days, but it shows Republicans can still win a statewide office in Vermont. At the very least, he wouldn't be able to appoint Bernie's successor (I like the idea of Bernie in Labor) because Vermont has special elections to fill a US Senate vacancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Schumer with the unexpected Senate move... Republicans can vote to end it at any time; so if this lasts more than just a few minutes it's going to be very interesting to eventually learn what was discussed. I assume Schumer wanted an off-the-record conversation with all senators present about what Democrats will do if they take the majority if Barrett is forced through before the election. ETA: And it's already over. Guess Republicans didn't want to hear whatever Schumer had to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Paul Krugman -- "How Many Americans Will Ayn Rand Kill? Liberty doesn’t mean freedom to infect other people." https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/opinion/coronavirus-masks.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, argonak said: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-issues-that-divide-people-within-each-party/ This is a really interesting article that talks about the way the parties shake out on issues, and how much in agreement each side really is with each other. I find it hugely comforting to see how close the vast majority of Americans are on a lot of issues. This reinforces my feelings that the biggest threat to America right now is the Right Wing propoganda machine that is driving a huge wedge between us when we're really not all that far apart. As an example. I would never have thought 52% of Republicans supported minimum income of any kind. I must have really fallen into an us-them thinking style lately. I need to work harder to evaluate my thinking, but this article really helped me see this plank in my eye. You want to go down a real rabbit hole? Look at some of the policy opinions leading up to the 1972 presidential election. Makes you wonder how Nixon, who did nothing during WW2, made legit war hero bomber pilot McGovern look like a pansy hippie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 "The Radicalization of a Small American Town The change has occurred so slowly that at times, I hardly noticed it." He should have paid attention to the radio and the other media these people consume in their homes, their vehicles and the bars and restaurants non-stop and nothing else at all, other than 'church'. He would have noticed then. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/23/opinion/trump-country-2020-election.html? Quote ....And not just Trump flags. In the past few months, I have seen three Confederate flags hoisted in neighbors’ yards, where previously I’d seen none. Just a few weeks ago, two masked men appeared outside our high school, holding a large KKK flag and fliers, apparently scouting for young recruits.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonak Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Altherion said: That's a pretty interesting article. Here's the tidbit I liked best: So as long as you don't associate it with Democrats in any way and don't tie to the typical Democrat goals, Republicans are split almost exactly in half on massive infrastructure spending to fight climate change. The $2 trillion figure is from Biden's plan so he might be able to make some headway here. Again, that's the propaganda machine. It has them brainwashed into thinking democrat = evil. Socialism = evil. Anyone who disagrees with us = evil. Its the kind of thing that fits into the religious mindset very well if you ask me, because its not about reason its about emotion. Take it to the extreme and you get the Rwandan genocide with neighbor killing neighbor and husband killing wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 1 minute ago, argonak said: Again, that's the propaganda machine. It has them brainwashed into thinking democrat = evil. Socialism = evil. Anyone who disagrees with us = evil. Its the kind of thing that fits into the religious mindset very well if you ask me, because its not about reason its about emotion. Take it to the extreme and you get the Rwandan genocide with neighbor killing neighbor and husband killing wife. It's literally what liberals are doing too, both here and elsewhere. This isn't anything specific to conservatives; this is specific to humans. And no, it's not about the 'religious mindset' - it's about human beings not being computers and not making choices on rational thought most of the time. Because tell me true - if a Republican campaigned on the above, would YOU vote for them? Pretty doubtful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonak Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Killjoybear said: It's literally what liberals are doing too, both here and elsewhere. This isn't anything specific to conservatives; this is specific to humans. And no, it's not about the 'religious mindset' - it's about human beings not being computers and not making choices on rational thought most of the time. Because tell me true - if a Republican campaigned on the above, would YOU vote for them? Pretty doubtful. Oh absolutely its not restricted to Conservatives. We all benefit from some introspective consideration of our motives. I'm as guilty as anyone from giving way to my fears and emotions. But at least I'm trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varysblackfyre321 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/senate/nc/north_carolina_senate_tillis_vs_cunningham-6908.html How is the north Carolina race not being considered a toss up? @DMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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