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Pretty depressing so far.  Perhaps Biden will still pull it off in the rust belt, but the fact that so many voters are still turning out for Trump is even worse than him getting elected in the first place.

Honorable mention for sources of depression: polling is even less insightful this time. 

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7 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said:

Pretty depressing so far.  Perhaps Biden will still pull it off in the rust belt, but the fact that so many voters are still turning out for Trump is even worse than him getting elected in the first place.

Honorable mention for sources of depression: polling is even less insightful this time. 

Yea. Regardless of the result, I have very little faith left in this country. Trump is being rewarded for his actions. That's just depressing.

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I mean, really - did you think that 43 44 approval that never ever moved was a mirage? Were you okay with him having 120 million Americans approving of this job? 

Trump winning was the affirmation. The last four years have just been icing on that shit sundae. 

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I’m not sure that any polls were off exactly.

So many people *do not* like change in general, including politics, and this is what Dems are all about lately and Dems really do not get this. Trump’s back to the past, Covid-denialism no scary change is like a siren’s song to their survivalist lizard brain. This silent majority stuff is crap, but people who see change as an irrational existential threat is real.

It’s one thing to toy with change for the novelty of the idea all along and side with Biden, but when it comes time to actually pull the trigger, that’s very different. Think as long as the country is in this space with a major cultural change on the ballot, it's going to be tough to factor in how people land on that.

 

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4 minutes ago, Lollygag said:

I’m not sure that any polls were off exactly.

So many people *do not* like change in general, including politics, and this is what Dems are all about lately and Dems really do not get this. Trump’s back to the past, Covid-denialism no scary change is like a siren’s song to their survivalist lizard brain. This silent majority stuff is crap, but people who see change as an irrational existential threat is real.

 

It’s one thing to toy with change for the novelty of the idea all along and side with Biden, but when it comes time to actually pull the trigger, that’s very different. Think as long as the country is in this space with a major cultural change on the ballot, it's going to be tough to factor in how people land on that.

 

 

 

Incredible. The Dems need to somehow be more centrist and invisible next time? 

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Just now, Simon Steele said:

Incredible. The Dems need to somehow be more centrist and invisible next time? 

No. We *have* to change. What needs to change is the sales pitch.

But thanks for making my point for me.

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Given that turnout does not seem to be the magic bullet you have two options to consider: Biden is doing worse in Florida because he wasn't leftist enough, or Biden is doing worse in Florida because he wasn't nonsocialist enough.

Seems pretty obvious what the answer is, but you do you. 

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North Carolina has 112k ballots that haven't come in yet, so some of those might show up, and Trump's numbers are being padded by about 30k after a county fucked up their count. It's probably going to go to a re-count.

This is all going to come down to PA and the upper midwest.

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