Disturber of Peace Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 I shall be more nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Shit, call it what it is. U.S. Politics: Analytics Doesn't Win Presidencies With Average Talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Im shocked an old white guy is gonna win this thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskaral Pust Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Pretty depressing so far. Perhaps Biden will still pull it off in the rust belt, but the fact that so many voters are still turning out for Trump is even worse than him getting elected in the first place. Honorable mention for sources of depression: polling is even less insightful this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mexal Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Iskaral Pust said: Pretty depressing so far. Perhaps Biden will still pull it off in the rust belt, but the fact that so many voters are still turning out for Trump is even worse than him getting elected in the first place. Honorable mention for sources of depression: polling is even less insightful this time. Yea. Regardless of the result, I have very little faith left in this country. Trump is being rewarded for his actions. That's just depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljkeane Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Jesus Christ. Not again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 I mean, really - did you think that 43 44 approval that never ever moved was a mirage? Were you okay with him having 120 million Americans approving of this job? Trump winning was the affirmation. The last four years have just been icing on that shit sundae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollygag Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 I’m not sure that any polls were off exactly. So many people *do not* like change in general, including politics, and this is what Dems are all about lately and Dems really do not get this. Trump’s back to the past, Covid-denialism no scary change is like a siren’s song to their survivalist lizard brain. This silent majority stuff is crap, but people who see change as an irrational existential threat is real. It’s one thing to toy with change for the novelty of the idea all along and side with Biden, but when it comes time to actually pull the trigger, that’s very different. Think as long as the country is in this space with a major cultural change on the ballot, it's going to be tough to factor in how people land on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrist Simon Steele Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Lollygag said: I’m not sure that any polls were off exactly. So many people *do not* like change in general, including politics, and this is what Dems are all about lately and Dems really do not get this. Trump’s back to the past, Covid-denialism no scary change is like a siren’s song to their survivalist lizard brain. This silent majority stuff is crap, but people who see change as an irrational existential threat is real. It’s one thing to toy with change for the novelty of the idea all along and side with Biden, but when it comes time to actually pull the trigger, that’s very different. Think as long as the country is in this space with a major cultural change on the ballot, it's going to be tough to factor in how people land on that. Incredible. The Dems need to somehow be more centrist and invisible next time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lollygag Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Just now, Simon Steele said: Incredible. The Dems need to somehow be more centrist and invisible next time? No. We *have* to change. What needs to change is the sales pitch. But thanks for making my point for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Given that turnout does not seem to be the magic bullet you have two options to consider: Biden is doing worse in Florida because he wasn't leftist enough, or Biden is doing worse in Florida because he wasn't nonsocialist enough. Seems pretty obvious what the answer is, but you do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrist Simon Steele Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Lollygag said: No. We *have* to change. What needs to change is the sales pitch. But thanks for making my point for me. I guess I never really got your point in the first place then. Biden was about as milquetoast as a candidate can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingintheNorth4 Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 It feels like a rerun of 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimTuesday Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 North Carolina has 112k ballots that haven't come in yet, so some of those might show up, and Trump's numbers are being padded by about 30k after a county fucked up their count. It's probably going to go to a re-count. This is all going to come down to PA and the upper midwest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reny of Storms End Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 I have a friend running for the House in PAs 14th. First time for me knowing someone running for an important office. He's the underdog, but still can hope for a miracle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illrede Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Just now, KingintheNorth4 said: It feels like a rerun of 2016. I don't think that it does... no one seems to be shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimTuesday Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 We need to break the electoral college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Ooh more georgia fuckery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illrede Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Just now, GrimTuesday said: We need to break the electoral college. Or the democrats could expand their geographic appeal, or not and wait for a Colorado-like effect to start kicking in with time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 @Maithanet, Maine can't report quick enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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