DMC Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Fragile Bird said: He was pretty sarcastic or cynical or, I don’t know, grim, listing off all those things. I just meant I find him loathsome generally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said: I don't see how. Biden is just up 1.8 as of now. There's still more than 20 million votes to count, and it is virtually all mail, which Biden has been winning by huge margins across the country (even in red states). He's up 2.4 million in the popular vote, and I fully expect him to hit 7 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, illrede said: Realignment. This was the first (or second) election of a new political epoch. This was definitely not a realignment election. And neither was 2016. ETA: And neither was 1960. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, DMC said: I just meant I find him loathsome generally. I understand. My brother hates him with a passion. I think of him like a bug under a microscope, or a bad accident at the side of the road, something you look at even when you don’t really want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Yikes, this whole thing is a lot scarier than it should have been. Would someone explain to a curious foreigner? We’re expecting the results of Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia and Arizona today, right? If Biden wins 3 or 4 of them he’s basically certain to win, but if he only wins 2 of them then we’ll have to wait for Pennsylvania later this week? Can the US rejoin the Paris Agreement if the democrats don’t control the senate? That’s mostly what I’m worried about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, DMC said: Lightweight. Haven't slept and been drinking since 3pm yesterday. Everyone knows you need a water break and a quick nap to keep the party going even longer!!11!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!11!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Stannis Eats No Peaches said: We’re expecting the results of Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia and Arizona today, right? Arizona has already been called by the Associated Press. Biden is almost certainly going to win Michigan and Wisconsin. Those three will give him 270 electoral votes, or the bare minimum to win the electoral college. 2 minutes ago, Stannis Eats No Peaches said: Can the US rejoin the Paris Agreement if the democrats don’t control the senate? Yes. Traditional treaties that are ratified by the Senate essentially don't happen anymore. International agreements are almost entirely unilaterally agreed upon by the president - which is how Obama agreed to the Paris Agreement and why Trump was able to withdraw from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Stannis Eats No Peaches said: Would someone explain to a curious foreigner? We’re expecting the results of Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia and Arizona today, right? If Biden wins 3 or 4 of them he’s basically certain to win, but if he only wins 2 of them then we’ll have to wait for Pennsylvania later this week? Can the US rejoin the Paris Agreement if the democrats don’t control the senate? That’s mostly what I’m worried about. Yes, Biden can rejoin Paris. I expect Wisconsin to be called today. Arizona is already called by some outlets, not others, but I fully expect that will happen today too. Michigan has sent mixed signals about when they'll finish counting, but hopefully today and if so that's a call. With those 3, Biden is at 270 for the win. Georgia says they should finish sometime this afternoon, although they have had a lot of screwups so further delays are plausible. EDIT: however, I guess Biden won't be called today unless he wins GA, because NV definitely isn't getting called until tomorrow. I don't know what their screwup is, it seems ridiculous that they have no updates at all today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S John Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 What is with the blue bracelet of this dude on CNN. It’s like he’s trying to say, hey, even though I’m in a suit right now sometimes I wear shorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3CityApache Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, DMC said: Yes. Traditional treaties that are ratified by the Senate essentially don't happen anymore. International agreements are almost entirely unilaterally agreed upon by the president - which is how Obama agreed to the Paris Agreement and why Trump was able to withdraw from it. So it kinda sucks if every democratic president would rejoin the agreement and every republican one would withdraw from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Just now, 3CityApache said: So it kinda sucks if every democratic president would rejoin the agreement and every republican one would withdraw. That's the fucked up system Americans live in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnionAhaiReborn Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Maithanet said: Yes, Biden can rejoin Paris. I expect Wisconsin to be called today. Arizona is already called by some outlets, not others, but I fully expect that will happen today too. Michigan has sent mixed signals about when they'll finish counting, but hopefully today and if so that's a call. With those 3, Biden is at 270 for the win. Georgia says they should finish sometime this afternoon, although they have had a lot of screwups so further delays are plausible. Nevada seems unlikely to be called until tomorrow (although it definitely looks good for Biden), so Biden will be short even if Wisconsin and Michigan get called today. Even though Nevada may seem like a formality, I do think it actually matters how long it is before the media declares a winner, given the uncertainty around the reaction of Trump and his supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centrist Simon Steele Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 I think this is all evidence that the Democratic party needs new leadership. We won't get that, but if I were king for a day, I would see that as necessary. What I don't understand is why someone like Susan Collins could win. I figured she was like Cory Gardner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, OnionAhaiReborn said: Nevada seems unlikely to be called until tomorrow (although it definitely looks good for Biden), so Biden will be short even if Wisconsin and Michigan get called today. Even though Nevada may seem like a formality, I do think it actually matters how long it is before the media declares a winner, given the uncertainty around the reaction of Trump and his supporters. Yeah, I amended my post a couple minutes ago when I remembered that. And I agree, the sooner that Biden is declared the winner, the better, and it makes me angry that we don't even know what the holdup is in Nevada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Well, on the bright side, Trump may be gone. Otoh, the Senate will be able to obstruct almost anything meaningful Biden wants to do, and the SCOTUS wil take care of the rest. And in 2 and in 4 ys, the GOP will win all three houses 'cause the lame Dems don't get nothing done. Correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Maithanet said: it makes me angry that we don't even know what the holdup is in Nevada. Well, what happens in Vegas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuietColours Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Simon Steele said: What I don't understand is why someone like Susan Collins could win. I figured she was like Cory Gardner. At a guess, it's in part because Gardner never pretended he was listening to or sympathetic to the grievances and opinions of the people he was screwing over. Collins played that game. She never actually helped them, but she pretended she might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mindwalker said: Well, on the bright side, Trump may be gone. Otoh, the Senate will be able to obstruct almost anything meaningful Biden wants to do, and the SCOTUS wil take care of the rest. And in 2 and in 4 ys, the GOP will win all three houses 'cause Biden don't get nothing done. Correct? That looks the most likely. There will probably be 2 senate seats up for a runoff election in Georgia, and if the Dems were to win both of those, they would get to 50. But that's a long shot, and it's hard to be optimistic right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 You have to admit Donald Trump is very popular in many parts of the country. For those of you who were upset or even angry with Biden being chosen as the candidate, can you please tell me which one of the 20 other candidates would have done a better job? The Democrats did not take Florida because 100,000 Latinos showed up to vote against socialism, so please, don’t say Bernie Sanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 I heard that in the middle of the night Scott Walker, former governor of Wisconsin, tweeted out the process of how to demand a recount. I expect Trump’s lawyers will be attacking the vote counts in all the close states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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