BlackLightning Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I've said this many times before in many different ways: Mercy is a chapter that absolutely must be revised, if not rewritten. And the Meereen chapters need some major pruning. Why are there precursor, pre-battle chapters for each of the three POVs with two of the three having chapters that depict only the first part of a battle that is nowhere near being finished? I agree with @Lord Varys in that I don't think that GRRM should mess with the Arianne chapters at all. I can understand why people feel like they should be merged into one chapter but I really feel that there is simply too much stuff discussed and introduced in those chapters and all of it important. Case in point: the caves and tunnels and catacombs. Not only is it a callback to Ygritte's tale of Gorne and Gendel and the love shared between Ygritte and Jon, it also serves as a nod to Bael the Bard in Winterfell AND provides a way for Bran to escape/leave Bloodraven's Cave. It also works as a way of explaining how the Others and/or their monsters are suddenly popping up in the Stormlands and the Reach 3 hours ago, Ibbison from Ibben said: I must say I can't agree with the characterization of Arianne as "a major character". Ten characters in ASOIAF are "major characters", two of which are dead/undead - Ned, Catelyn, Jon, Tyrion, Dany, Bran, Arya, Jaime, Cersei, and Sansa. So far Arianne has been in two books and has two POV chapters. She will have at least 3 in TWOW. She is rising toward second tier status, at best. On a further note, Arianne I has many "refresher" lines, inserted to remind the reader where the narration left off. Should those be retained or eliminated? If Arianne is second-tier status in Winds, then I can almost guarantee that she will be sitting pretty in the first class category in Dream. If things go the way that I think that they will go, Arianne will be the Queen Consort of the Seven Kingdoms and a bitter enemy of Dany by the end of Winds. She might actually be one of the main ones instigating or fueling the war between Dany and fAegon. We are getting another Dance of the Dragons and Arianne could play the role of Alicent Hightower to fAegon's Aegon II. As far as the refresher lines? I think that most of them can stay because we haven't been to Dorne in a while nor have we heard from Arianne in a while. Remember the last time we heard from Arianne was the "Fire and blood" cyvasse piece moment in the last few chapters of Feast. On 11/11/2020 at 11:22 AM, Lord Varys said: Ah, yes, right, but we don't get the feeling that their story picks up where it had been left off. Because it doesn't. That's why it needs to be revisited. Alayne I feels like there is at least a "One year later..." cue card right before it. On 11/10/2020 at 7:49 PM, Nathan Stark said: I haven't got much more to add to this discussion beyond hoping George cuts back some on the copius descriptions of food. This would shorten the book by about 250 pages, an added benefit. LOL Winter is here so there's going to be a lot less food in the realm. I imagine there might actually be copious descriptions of the lack of food, of how hungry the characters are, of what the characters are craving and how much that the characters miss the times when there was so much different types of delicious foods to be eaten. On 11/11/2020 at 8:46 AM, talvikorppi said: Yeah, GRRM describing TWOW as "a big, big book" gave me pause. There are practical, physical limits as to how big a book can be. That was one of the reasons AFFC/ADWD were split and published as two different books (years apart...) Whatever happens, I don't want another AFFC/ADWD type split along POV/geography lines! I'm not all that knowledgeable about publishing so can't say how feasible or desireable it would be to publish TWOW in two volumes, and whether simultaneously or maybe a year or two apart would be preferrable (to the publisher - we fans would want everything ASAP :-D ) The standards of how big a book can be have changed since 2010 I am almost sure that A Dream of Spring will be biblical in length. I'm not kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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