Sci-2 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 4 hours ago, larrytheimp said: I'm surprised this hasn't happened more frequently, or maybe others have just been better at covering their tracks. ***if Lincoln Project really wanted from do something they should dump $ into state legislature candidates in states that would be flippable with friendlier maps, run then as Federalists or The Conservative Patriots for Freedom Party or some shit Yeah I agree that LP should be running spoiler candidates. The fastest way to kill Trumpism [is] to have it be as non-viable electorally as possible. If they can peel off Never Trump Republicans - assuming there are more than 30 or so of these in any district - and ensure Dems win then the Republicans will have to start shifting away from Trump type politics. But I mean if these guys would've been okay with Cruz for POTUS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sci-2 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Relic said: Fair. And i dont begrudge her. BUT, media attention is how this fucking scumbag rolled his way down the escalator and into the white house. The moment he said Mexicans coming here were rapists or whatever he said it should have been game over. But nope, the media decided to make him into either a hero or the ultimate villain, and cashed in while this country went further down into the toilet. It's obscene. Eating the rot to grow fat. I don't know if yet another book about Trump will help, but I do think we need to peel back and get a good look at the corruption/grifting that went on. And we'll partially be helped by every Republican who has their eyes on 2024 this around. I don't think they want to run afoul of Trump's wrath given his hold on the base but I doubt they want him to be the 2024 candidate. The next four years should be spent trying to undo Trump's spell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maithanet Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 31 minutes ago, horangi said: I am probably stating the obvious, but a large reason for the difference between the Atlanta suburbs and Charlotte suburbs may simply be a matter of population. A quick search suggests the Atlanta metro area is a~6million people vs 2.6 million for Charlotte. No need to move out to the countryside if there is space closer to town. ...sort of. Yes if Charlotte were double its current size then it would be spilling out of Mecklenberg county. But it's not like there aren't a lot of people in those suburbs around Mecklenberg. The five counties that surround it have a population comparable to Mecklenberg itself, but they're still very red. In contrast, the big population suburban counties of Atlanta like Gwinnett and Cobb voted 58% and 56% for Biden. I suppose the exurbs of Atlanta, like Cherokee and Forsythe counties, are indeed pretty red, but population wise those are much smaller than the closer in suburbs. The same is definitely not true in Charlotte. EDIT: Going further, if Biden had won just 45% of the vote in the 5 suburban/exurban counties around Charlotte, he wins North Carolina. But he got just 37% in those counties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueMetis Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 17 minutes ago, maarsen said: What does AR signify then? Anatomically Relatable? All Real? All Righty? Able Rascal? Anything R sounding? Armalite Rifle. Name of the company that invented it. Course given the AR-15 is the basis for the M16, calling it an assault rifle isn't really that big of a deal when the only substantive difference between an AR-15 and an assault rifle is the ability to switch between semi-automatic and fully automatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 dang, i fail at being an american Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaston de Foix Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 27 minutes ago, Relic said: Fair. And i dont begrudge her. BUT, media attention is how this fucking scumbag rolled his way down the escalator and into the white house. The moment he said Mexicans coming here were rapists or whatever he said it should have been game over. But nope, the media decided to make him into either a hero or the ultimate villain, and cashed in while this country went further down into the toilet. It's obscene. Eating the rot to grow fat. This is true. But why does negative/critical coverage not hurt him? I can see why it didn't hurt him in 2015-6: lot's of people secretly agreed with him and celebrated him as a bold truth-teller, a fighter etc. And I can understand that if you know who Maggie Haberman is chances are 0.01% that you are a Trump voter (and those 0.01% are all Republican elected officials). But even low-information, casual consumers of news know that Trump got coronavirus after he refused to wear a mask, 200K+ people died and the economy went down the toilet. Why on earth did it make so little difference to their voting choices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, Gaston de Foix said: Why on earth did it make so little difference to their voting choices? Because they don't give a shit. He's a shining golden haired god in their eyes. Sparing them from the horrible neversphere of being forgotten. Nd it's all due to the "negative" media attention from the likes of MSNC and CNN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaston de Foix Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Whatever you think of AOC this is pretty funny: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 So the US House is now at 218-202, with 15 uncalled races. Of those 15, there's only 2 that I'm confident Democrats will win and 4 others that are varying degrees of possible for Democrats. The other 9 are near-sure Republican wins. A 220-215 house is entirely possible, and maybe even the most likely outcome right now; which is even worse than I thought a few days ago (though I think 222-213 is where things end up). There really better not be any House members going to the Biden administration; not when control is this tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sci-2 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 32 minutes ago, Gaston de Foix said: Whatever you think of AOC this is pretty funny: Whatever you think of Manchin he probably speaks for a large portion of the voting public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sci-2 said: Whatever you think of Manchin he probably speaks for a large portion of the voting public. yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Relic said: yup I don't see a lot of evidence that she's willing to admit that her particular brand of message doesn't work everywhere, and indeed there are places where it is counter-productive. Is Machin sniping at her? I guess, but really it's messaging for Georgia! What Machin is saying is exactly what some of the people who split their tickets may think about as they end up going to the polls a second time. The benefits of electing two Democrats are obvious enough to Democrats, but it's the negatives that need to be played down for independents and possible crossover Republicans. And sad to say, "defund the police" -- as a slogan -- and "socialism" are negatives in large parts of the country. Want to change that? Win elections, do "socialism", and win more elections! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Also, always remember that a world where Manchin is the 50th vote in the senate is almost immeasurably different and better than one where McConnell remains majority leader. It's not as good as the one where he's the 53rd or 54th vote in the senate; but that's not a possible world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 So I don't know of this has already been mentioned up thread. Christopher Krebs head of voting security agency expects to be fired. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/12/christopher-krebs-us-cybersecurity-official-election-misinformation-expects-fired Talk about third world dictatorship behaviour. What's he up to with all these firings in the national security and now electoral security sector? Is it part of his play for claiming electoral fraud (well this one obviously is), just spite and retribution, or maybe wanting to put someone in Esper's place who will get rid of all the information that must be there about Trump as a security risk? Is he really going to try to get Republican states to flip the electoral college votes from Democratic to Republican? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted November 12, 2020 Author Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 hours ago, maarsen said: What does AR signify then? Anatomically Relatable? All Real? All Righty? Able Rascal? Anything R sounding? I think Armilight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFDanny Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 29 minutes ago, Fez said: Also, always remember that a world where Manchin is the 50th vote in the senate is almost immeasurably different and better than one where McConnell remains majority leader. It's not as good as the one where he's the 53rd or 54th vote in the senate; but that's not a possible world. Well, perhaps not the 53rd or the 54th vote, but as the 52nd vote it is still possible. Winning the two races in Georgia would make this a 50-50 split, and it would allow the passage of DC statehood which would almost certainly give the the Democrats a 52-50 advantage. Passage of Puerto Rico statehood could put that 53rd or 54th vote into play. Very much getting ahead of ourselves here. First things first. Ossoff and Warnock must win their races. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: I think Armilight AR = ArmaLite Rifle ArmaLite being the original manufacturer (they later sold the rights to Colt). The AR-15 became the M16 when the US military took it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 2 hours ago, Relic said: automatic rifle 1 hour ago, TrueMetis said: Armalite Rifle. Name of the company that invented it. Course given the AR-15 is the basis for the M16, calling it an assault rifle isn't really that big of a deal when the only substantive difference between an AR-15 and an assault rifle is the ability to switch between semi-automatic and fully automatic. And this is why it’s next to impossible to have a rational conversation with hardcore Second Amendment supporters. It just devolves into a semantics battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 This is a great analysis of how the US is sliding into authoritarianism - and who is doing it. https://www.v-dem.net/media/filer_public/b6/55/b6553f85-5c5d-45ec-be63-a48a2abe3f62/briefing_paper_9.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relic Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 26 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: I think Armilight Amirite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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