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18 minutes ago, Kalbear Total Landscaping said:

Everyone on the right is crazy, Scot. I'm sorry, but 72 million people seem to disagree with you. 

How many voted out of “party loyalty” or “I always vote for the Republican”.  I really wonder.  You may be right 72 million people all really buy into Trump’s cult of personality.  But, I doubt it.

I know too many people who claim to dislike Trump but held their nose and voted for him anyway.  If he splits from the Republican Party... it is an opportunity for Democrats. 

Seeing him solidify his hold on the Republican party out of the White House is harder because of the “party loyalty”, I concede that point.  But this may genuinely be an opportunity.

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1 hour ago, SpaceChampion said:

Is this true?  If the House files articles of impeachment again, without the Senate trying the case, would that actually block Trump from pardoning anyone?

It's true that Hamilton basically wrote that in Federalist 69.  Here's the relevant passage:

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Thirdly. The power of the President, in respect to pardons, would extend to all cases, EXCEPT THOSE OF IMPEACHMENT. The governor of New York may pardon in all cases, even in those of impeachment, except for treason and murder. Is not the power of the governor, in this article, on a calculation of political consequences, greater than that of the President? All conspiracies and plots against the government, which have not been matured into actual treason, may be screened from punishment of every kind, by the interposition of the prerogative of pardoning. If a governor of New York, therefore, should be at the head of any such conspiracy, until the design had been ripened into actual hostility he could insure his accomplices and adherents an entire impunity. A President of the Union, on the other hand, though he may even pardon treason, when prosecuted in the ordinary course of law, could shelter no offender, in any degree, from the effects of impeachment and conviction. Would not the prospect of a total indemnity for all the preliminary steps be a greater temptation to undertake and persevere in an enterprise against the public liberty, than the mere prospect of an exemption from death and confiscation, if the final execution of the design, upon an actual appeal to arms, should miscarry? Would this last expectation have any influence at all, when the probability was computed, that the person who was to afford that exemption might himself be involved in the consequences of the measure, and might be incapacitated by his agency in it from affording the desired impunity? The better to judge of this matter, it will be necessary to recollect, that, by the proposed Constitution, the offense of treason is limited "to levying war upon the United States, and adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort''; and that by the laws of New York it is confined within similar bounds.

And this ideal is reflected in the constitution - Article II Section 2 - granting the president pardon powers (which is exactly what Hamilton was discussing).  However, to my knowledge this has never been tested by the courts.

22 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Pump the breaks. Who in 2020 uses the word “persnickety?”

I absolutely love the word persnickety no matter what year it is and I will proudly die on that hill.

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42 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Pump the breaks. Who in 2020 uses the word “persnickety?”

Along with Ormond, I also can lay claim to having used the word “persnickety” in 2020.

I have also used the word “kerfluffle” not just once, but on multiple occasions.

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  And resurrecting again...

On 11/13/2020 at 8:59 PM, DMC said:

Damnit.  Shoulda figured he'd move on after the election, not after inauguration.

ETA:  Like the name, btw.

And now Ezra Klein's leaving Vox for NYT Opinion. Just coincidence that they both leave at the same time? Like, if Matt knows Ezra's going, does he figure he's lost the guy who has had his back over these culture war kerfluffles (he said ironically) over the years was now gone, so better get out while the getting was good?

Hmmm.... OTOH, last week one of The Weeds regulars left for NYT to host a podcast series titled The Argument. 

On the gripping hand,  I believe Yglesias was just randomly tweeting today or yesterday about the fact that Vox partially saw itself as a project to "disrupt" traditional media like NYT... and NYT not only failed to be disrupted, but basically went on and began poaching a lot of their early team. Feels like he knew what was up.

Speaking of Klein (and bringing it back to the election), his podcast with Ian Haney López of UC Berkley about the Hispanic vote was very interesting. It also led me to his Race-Class Academy website that helps explain the thrust of his research, namely that the message with the broadest appeal was one in which race and economics were intrinsically linked rather than treated as separate subjects. The basic message he advocates for is, in essence, that wealthy elites use race as a wedge to divide the lower classes so they can enrich themselves even further, rather than going all-in on just anti-racism or "color blind", economic populism.

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9 minutes ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

Along with Ormond, I also can lay claim to having used the word “persnickety” in 2020.

I have also used the word “kerfluffle” not just once, but on multiple occasions.

My wife and I both use those words but only one L in kerfuffle.

A few months ago, back before the Covid times, I used the word "jeepers" and a co-worker looked at me like I have two heads.

Then there was the occasion a few years ago when some other colleagues made a big deal of me saying I was "fixin'" to do something. 

"Wow Dante, were you raised in Alabama?"

"No, dick, I just enjoy language."

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14 minutes ago, Ran said:

On the gripping hand,  I believe Yglesias was just randomly tweeting today or yesterday about the fact that Vox partially saw itself as a project to "disrupt" traditional media like NYT... and NYT not only failed to be disrupted, but basically went on and began poaching a lot of their early team.

I think for both Yglesias and Klein I'd view this as a victory - traditional media has adapted to their (and, importantly, many others') approach more so than them adapting to traditional media.  Which means, for Klein, this seems like pretty much a lateral move.  Cynically, I suspect that simply means more money.  I did like how Melissa Bell's announcement had the subheadline "What’s next for us. (We’re hiring!)"

Generally I'd say Klein is correct - and genuine - that Vox doesn't need him anymore.  Dylan Matthews, Lauren McGann, Zach Beauchamp, Ian Millhiser, Li Zhou, Andrew Prokop, Emily Stewart, Dylan Scott, Sean Illing.  They still got a lot of good-to-great reporters/columnists.

One thing I find quite amusing is it seems Yglesias, in part, left Vox because it was too "woke," whereas it appears Lauren Williams is leaving Vox, in part, because it is not "woke" enough. 

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OMG Trump is on tv raving again. “I won the election, I got 74 M votes! Even though everyone was against us, the media was against us, big pharma companies spent billions on ads against me, big tech was against me. Pfizer held back on their announcement to hurt me. Who knows if it would have helped me, the Democrats would have found more ballots somewhere”.

And US states can come to Canada now and buy drugs? Fuck off and die! We have 38 M people and we’re supposed to supply 332 M people? Drop dead!

 

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27 minutes ago, DanteGabriel said:

Then there was the occasion a few years ago when some other colleagues made a big deal of me saying I was "fixin'" to do something. 

"Wow Dante, were you raised in Alabama?"

"No, dick, I just enjoy language."

This literally made me lol.  Woulda liked to have been there for that.

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58 minutes ago, DMC said:

I absolutely love the word persnickety no matter what year it is and I will proudly die on that hill.

Ormond gets a pass, but you're a word terrorist! 

42 minutes ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

Along with Ormond, I also can lay claim to having used the word “persnickety” in 2020.

I have also used the word “kerfluffle” not just once, but on multiple occasions.

Please don't escalate this to a fracas. 

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3 minutes ago, DMC said:

One person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

If only we gave more funding to the word mujahideen back in the '80s.

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Apparently Andrew Cuomo is being given an International Emmy  “in recognition of his leadership during the Covid-19 pandemic and his masterful use of television to inform and calm people around the world.” Cuomo has spent the bulk of this pandemic in a dick measuring contest with de Blasio and doing weird publicity shit like his Mission Accomplished mountain sculpture and the giant quilt they made out of cloth masks people sent them that they just cut up instead of finding a use for them.

Cuomo is a piece of shit who has undeservedly gotten way too much credit for the handling of this pandemic, and now he's probably going to be a big time player in the National party.

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2 hours ago, The Great Unwashed said:

It's not floundering; he's doing what any abuser/grifter does - he's finding any weak spot he can and is seeing how far he can exploit it.

That is what he's floundering about doing, yes - but not in any planned, calculated way. A motive and a strategy are two different things.

2 hours ago, Zorral said:

Because they are his judges? 

I mean, this is a horrific, appalling, evil ruling, one that is a travesty of any definition of 'rights'. I'm 1000% with you there.

But, well, this judge was a Trump appointment and he dismissed Trump's election suit in Georgia out of hand.

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I dont know how reliable Axios is, but this article was shared by the Guardian: https://www.axios.com/trump-giuliani-white-house-michigan-covid-abbbbcf3-e415-4d9d-8911-427be7b645b1.html?utm_campaign=organic&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=twitter

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Rudy Giuliani and other key members of President Trump's outside legal team won't be attending today's meeting with two Michigan lawmakers because they've been exposed to the coronavirus, two sources familiar with the internal discussions tell Axios.

Why it matters: This added turmoil inside the president's legal operation comes at a time when the president is urging Republican state lawmakers to interfere with the electoral process and reverse Joe Biden's victory to a Trump win.

"It's just a shitshow, it's a joke," said a Trump campaign adviser.

If he is going it alone with the Michigan lawmakers, then I think nothing is going to come of it.

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16 minutes ago, GrimTuesday said:

and now he's probably going to be a big time player in the National party.

Er, no he's not.  In fact he's decidedly less of a player in the national party now than he was when he was elected governor a decade ago.

6 minutes ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

If he is going it alone with the Michigan lawmakers, then I think nothing is going to come of it.

...And Giuliani's attendance was gonna change that?

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The squalid little ghoul Giuliani's son Andrew, who pals around the golf course with rumpty, is positive -- whether than means he's sick or not who knows?  So it's very like his dad is also positive.  But it never occurred to me until Bird's post, that maybe the ghoul was actually sick, physically.  Mentally, yes, and in his soul too, yes, but I didn't occur to me until then.  Duh.

 

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2 minutes ago, DMC said:

...And Giuliani's attendance was gonna change that?

Much as it hurts me to say this, but even with the sheer incompetence of the Trump legal team, at least they have a (pretty bare)framework of reference in which to hash out a path forward. I dont think Trump is capable of even that.

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