Lord Lannister Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Lord Varys said: She might even consider to flee after the double murder - to ensure that Tommen is not killed by the dwarfs and traitors hiding in the walls. She was paranoid before, her walk and the double murder is going to unhinge her even further. The idea that she is confident Tommen could continue to live at KL even if the Tyrells disappeared for some reason would be very far-fetched. If the Tyrells continue to gather more power at King's Landing, such as Margaery slipping a piece of paper in front of Tommen to declare Mace Regent, I could see Cersei running off with Tommen out of spite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 23, 2020 Author Share Posted November 23, 2020 49 minutes ago, Eltharion21 said: She trice runs in the novel at least : When she breaks during the Walk of Shame, when she flees from Maggy the Frog's tent and when she is arrested by the Faith of Seven. Apples and oranges. That is a literalist take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curled Finger Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Eltharion21 said: She trice runs in the novel at least : When she breaks during the Walk of Shame, when she flees from Maggy the Frog's tent and when she is arrested by the Faith of Seven. While I never identified those episodes as fleeing as described here, I will give it all another read with emphasis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Lord Lannister said: If the Tyrells continue to gather more power at King's Landing, such as Margaery slipping a piece of paper in front of Tommen to declare Mace Regent, I could see Cersei running off with Tommen out of spite. Nobody would need Tommen for that. Aegon III chose/appointed none of his regents, and even Jaehaerys I did not ask his mother to serve in that capacity. And Joffrey/Tommen also did neither choose Ned, Cersei, nor Kevan for that job. The royal court/Small Council will decide who succeeds Kevan as Lord Regent - if they bother with that and not just decide having a Hand is enough - and nobody will ask the king for his opinion. He is still eight, after all. This idea that Tommen plays any active role in his own government is completely baseless. Controlling his person will be of some importance on a symbolic level - so that you have legitimacy - but he will never influence any decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Eltharion21 said: She trice runs in the novel at least : When she breaks during the Walk of Shame, when she flees from Maggy the Frog's tent and when she is arrested by the Faith of Seven. She also constantly gives in like a good little puppy - first when Tywin decides she will marry again, when he decides to take the regency from her, when the Faith sort of torture her, when Kevan and the High Septon force her to walk naked through the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Mithras said: Mad Queen Cersei theory is one of the strongest theories that came with AFfC, long before the obsession with fAegon taking King’s Landing existed. All those mountains of Cersei-wildfire connotations pretty much makes it a given. Also GRRM revealed that Cersei’s story is far from being over. At this point, it is pretty much guaranteed that Cersei is an endgame character. Removing Cersei from King’s Landing, only to have her return to take it doesn’t make any sense. She will not flee as I showed in the OP. She is glued to King’s Landing till the endgame where she burns it. LOL, that's just nonsense. The Aegon plot was already written before and after AFfC was published. People just got obsessed with a tangential plot like Cersei messing things up, never asking why she was doing that. And she did that so KL could pass easily and swiftly to Aegon. That's what's going to happen, that's why everything new is in the story - Aegon himself, the Martells and their POVs, the Faith Militant and the new High Septon and the sparrows, even folks like Bonifer Hasty, the Crackclaw Point people, and the Targaryen-blooded Plumms we first meet in AFfC. You have a narrow view of the story, and are only obsessed with your own head fan fiction. After all, Cersei losing KL doesn't mean she can't come back and retake power there. George has gone on record stating that multiple people will sit the Iron Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 23, 2020 Author Share Posted November 23, 2020 15 minutes ago, Lord Varys said: LOL, that's just nonsense. The Aegon plot was already written before and after AFfC was published. People just got obsessed with a tangential plot like Cersei messing things up, never asking why she was doing that. And she did that so KL could pass easily and swiftly to Aegon. That's what's going to happen, that's why everything new is in the story - Aegon himself, the Martells and their POVs, the Faith Militant and the new High Septon and the sparrows, even folks like Bonifer Hasty, the Crackclaw Point people, and the Targaryen-blooded Plumms we first meet in AFfC. You have a narrow view of the story, and are only obsessed with your own head fan fiction. After all, Cersei losing KL doesn't mean she can't come back and retake power there. George has gone on record stating that multiple people will sit the Iron Throne. Well, you are entitled to your completely baseless and wrong opinions haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pontius Pilate Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 8:35 AM, Mithras said: There is this mistaken notion that Cersei will flee to Casterly Rock so that fAegon can take King's Landing. This cannot be further from the truth. Cersei will never flee. Cersei spent almost all her life at King’s Landing. Just do the math and you will see. She has no real connection to Casterly Rock near as close to King's Landing. Power flows from King’s Landing and Cersei is addicted to it. Then or now, she will not flee. She will not be judged by anyone. In fact, after the tragedies she suffered since Blackwater and will further suffer in the Winds, she will be even more resolved to make her last stand at the seat of ultimate power. There is no life for her if she loses King's Landing or the power associated with it. She will not meekly accept the unravelling of Maggy's Prophecy in front of her eyes. She will not give the joy of victory to whoever she believes to be the younger and more beautiful queen or the valonqar. True and nobody would expect her to. Whoever wants the throne will have to root her out of the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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