TheLastWolf Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 hours ago, CamiloRP said: Maribald is an exception. The general view of the Faith (and most of Westeros for the first part) is that bastards are bad and the Old Gods are a savage religion, uncivilized. More and more septon and members of the Faith are coming from smallfolk. The smallfolk don't hate baseborn like the nobility. Said so earlier Did you read a word of what I said!? Forgive my impoliteness. The hatred is on the new Red Rahloo. Not the passive trees coexisting for centuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastWolf Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 17 minutes ago, CamiloRP said: Why do you think all Dothraki don't have empathy? What's the reason? Coz we haven't seen it yet. Empathy. From any Dothraki. They view women as goods. Kill without remorse. Take pride in mass slaughter, genocide, rape pillage. Blah blah blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamiloRP Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 33 minutes ago, TheLastWolf said: More and more septon and members of the Faith are coming from smallfolk. The smallfolk don't hate baseborn like the nobility. Said so earlier Popular wisdom says that bastards aren't trustworthy and similar things, those are the opinions of the smallfolk as well. Quote Did you read a word of what I said!? Forgive my impoliteness. The hatred is on the new Red Rahloo. Not the passive trees coexisting for centuries. I did read it, I just don't agree, there are several instances of southerners thinking the Old Gods represent a savage religion, and it's the general case with the FOTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamiloRP Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 38 minutes ago, TheLastWolf said: He belongs to a group of people who revel in slaughter, pillaging, murder, rape and more. His culture is fucked up. As a byproduct he too is. Same with Slaver's Bay's good masters and such. It's not the same situation with the slavers, the slavers have opportunities to know what they do is wrong and change, and they don't do it. Dothraki don't have that opportunity. Yes, the culture is fucked up, as are most cultures, but he's a product of that culture, and there was little more he could've been. 32 minutes ago, TheLastWolf said: Coz we haven't seen it yet. Empathy. From any Dothraki. They view women as goods. Kill without remorse. Take pride in mass slaughter, genocide, rape pillage. Blah blah blah Drogo has empathy with Dany in their wedding night, he shows kindness to Jorah, he shows concern for his future son. They have empathy for their people, they care about them, and their horses too. Dany's Khalassar shows empathy in her fight, and even one of her handmaids falls for a pit fighter, you can't have love without empathy, and Drogo did love Dany. What Alyn is doing is even worse tho, he claims that most of the Dothraki are worse than the rest of humanity, but he doesn't think it's a cultural thing, meaning what? does he think they are biologically prone to be worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, CamiloRP said: What Alyn is doing is even worse tho, he claims that most of the Dothraki are worse than the rest of humanity, but he doesn't think it's a cultural thing, meaning what? does he think they are biologically prone to be worse? Oh, don't get me wrong, it is a cultural thing, it's from how they were raised and such, but were the two of us disagree is on the fact that I don't believe your culture excuses anything you do. You're just as guilty whether you do it in the context of your culture or on it's own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamiloRP Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 54 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: Oh, don't get me wrong, it is a cultural thing, it's from how they were raised and such, but were the two of us disagree is on the fact that I don't believe your culture excuses anything you do. You're just as guilty whether you do it in the context of your culture or on it's own. well, that's comforting at the very least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 minute ago, CamiloRP said: well, that's consoling at the very list Translation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamiloRP Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 10 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: Translation? oh my god, I fixed it, autocorrect and poor typing skills mix terribly don't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 If one looked at a real world example, I think it would be like comparing a tribe that raids for slaves, with transatlantic slave traders, and the Haitian sugar planters that work them to death. The first is very bad, but I think the moral guilt of the latter two groups is greater, as they have more opportunity to know that what they do is wrong, and more alternatives to make a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 1 hour ago, CamiloRP said: oh my god, I fixed it, autocorrect and poor typing skills mix terribly don't they? No problem man, we've all been there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elegant Woes Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 I don't see Jon and Dany happening. If this story was your typical medieval fantasy story written by someone else then sure, but this isn't your typical medieval fantasy book, and nor is GRRM your typical writer. GRRM deconstructs the medieval fantasy archetypes and story lines and reconstructs them into something you wouldn't expect. Based on that Jon and Dany is highly impossible. If anything they are more likely to end up as enemies than lovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondo Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 32 minutes ago, Elegant Woes said: I don't see Jon and Dany happening. If this story was your typical medieval fantasy story written by someone else then sure, but this isn't your typical medieval fantasy book, and nor is GRRM your typical writer. GRRM deconstructs the medieval fantasy archetypes and story lines and reconstructs them into something you wouldn't expect. Based on that Jon and Dany is highly impossible. If anything they are more likely to end up as enemies than lovers. I would think so. The story is the conflict between Ice (death, darkness, despair) and Fire (life and light). Jon and the Starks will support the White Walkers and lead an army of wights. Their wights make it to the Trident and get melted with dragon fire. Ice will hold the North for the duration of winter but their reign ends with the arrival of summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted December 6, 2020 Author Share Posted December 6, 2020 3 hours ago, Rondo said: Jon and the Starks will support the White Walkers and lead an army of wights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Stark Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 4 hours ago, Rondo said: I would think so. The story is the conflict between Ice (death, darkness, despair) and Fire (life and light). Jon and the Starks will support the White Walkers and lead an army of wights. Their wights make it to the Trident and get melted with dragon fire. Ice will hold the North for the duration of winter but their reign ends with the arrival of summer. If the Starks are ice and the Targaryens fire, why didn't Jeahearys and Alysanne put an end to the evil cannible ice demon tree people when they had a chance? Instead of Alysanne befriending Lord Stark? Kind of makes your theory seem unlikely, all things considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken one Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 On 12/1/2020 at 6:11 PM, SeanF said: If one looked at a real world example, I think it would be like comparing a tribe that raids for slaves, with transatlantic slave traders, and the Haitian sugar planters that work them to death. The first is very bad, but I think the moral guilt of the latter two groups is greater, as they have more opportunity to know that what they do is wrong, and more alternatives to make a living. tribes need slaves mostly to sell them to more advanced societies. when nobody buys slaves no slaves are taken. I do not think medieval pagan scandinavians or balts who used slaves to work on farms qualify as "tribes". It is hard to compare Dothraki to anything that existed in the real world. I think they are supposed to be kind of central asia folks. But if Mongols behaved like the Dothraki (football hooligans on vodka and amphetamine), they would have killed each other before they have even left central asia. D are fictionary amalgam of brutish and repulsive traits (same with the slavers of the slavers bay btw... even more) and there is nothing wrong with hating them without any deeper reflection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyser1 Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 Don't have any particular hopes for Dany in power period. Would be okay with her staying in power in Essos though. All for Jon though, even though I am clearly not a Targaryen fan. Perhaps because of how his "father" raised him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aline de Gavrillac Posted December 6, 2020 Share Posted December 6, 2020 I would prefer someone better for Daenerys because I am her fan. A bachelor like Wilas Tyrell would work. His family has the resources to feed a large army. The north has little to offer and Jon Snow should at least try to keep his vows to the NW. The only one for whom Jon will break his vows for is Arya. I can see Jon leaving the NW in order to live as man and woman with Arya later as the story continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose of Red Lake Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 8 hours ago, Nathan Stark said: If the Starks are ice and the Targaryens fire, why didn't Jeahearys and Alysanne put an end to the evil cannible ice demon tree people when they had a chance? Instead of Alysanne befriending Lord Stark? Kind of makes your theory seem unlikely, all things considered. More importantly why did the outline list 3 main threats in the novels as: 1. The game of Thrones 2. Daenerys 3. The Others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastWolf Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 21 hours ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: On 12/6/2020 at 7:55 PM, Rondo said: Jon and the Starks will support the White Walkers and lead an army of wights. Gosh how I love that Bullshit emoticon! Really useful in the Forum of late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 On 12/6/2020 at 2:25 PM, Rondo said: I would think so. The story is the conflict between Ice (death, darkness, despair) and Fire (life and light). Jon and the Starks will support the White Walkers and lead an army of wights. Their wights make it to the Trident and get melted with dragon fire. Ice will hold the North for the duration of winter but their reign ends with the arrival of summer. The author views ice as negative and fire as positive ( if potentially chaotic). But, why would the Starks support wights, unless they were killed and transformed into wights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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