Best Marriage Matches for Dany and Jon

[Alyn Oakenfist]

2 hours ago, Prince Rhaego Targaryen said:

I disagree.  The Dragon stands at the top of the pyramid of social hierarchy.  Daenerys is the Mother of Dragons, most beautiful woman in the world, heir to Westeros, and already a ruler.  He won’t be riding a dragon, thus his status will be lower.  

Here's the thing though, this was a problem for all medieval female rulers (especially Mary and Elizabeth). By having a non ruler husband, she would be creating the perfect figure for people to rally against her. He would have the support of the Reach, because duh, all Aegon and Lannister supporters wishing vengeance, meaning at least the Westerlands and Dorne, all of the faith and the faithful, because they are misoginistic and because they liked Aegon. This is already a massive powerblock supporting Willas to overthrow Dany and establish himself as the reigning monarch. Just remember dragons don't protect you against palace coups.

[SeanF]

2 hours ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

Here's the thing though, this was a problem for all medieval female rulers (especially Mary and Elizabeth). By having a non ruler husband, she would be creating the perfect figure for people to rally against her. He would have the support of the Reach, because duh, all Aegon and Lannister supporters wishing vengeance, meaning at least the Westerlands and Dorne, all of the faith and the faithful, because they are misoginistic and because they liked Aegon. This is already a massive powerblock supporting Willas to overthrow Dany and establish himself as the reigning monarch. Just remember dragons don't protect you against palace coups.

Any man who married Daenerys would be effectively her co-ruler, even if he was designated as Prince or King Consort, because of the social bias in favour of male leadership, a social bias she herself shares.

Even in Dorne, Arianne muses that any man she took as consort would be ruling the country with her.  Whereas, Mellario was never co-ruler with Doran.

[Alyn Oakenfist]

5 minutes ago, SeanF said:

Any man who married Daenerys would be effectively her co-ruler, even if he was designated as Prince or King Consort, because of the social bias in favour of male leadership, a social bias she herself shares.

Even in Dorne, Arianne muses that any man she took as consort would be ruling the country with her.  Whereas, Mellario was never co-ruler with Doran.

Exactly. The only ways to avoid this is pulling either a Mary or an Elizabeth, aka marrying some foreign ruler that can't live in the realm, or not marry at all.

[TheLastWolf]

9 hours ago, Prince Rhaego Targaryen said:

I disagree.  The Dragon stands at the top of the pyramid of social hierarchy.  Daenerys is the Mother of Dragons, most beautiful woman in the world, heir to Westeros, and already a ruler.  He won’t be riding a dragon, thus his status will be lower.  

You could have just said "All Hail the Fairy Godmother Queen Dany Targ" 

[Darth Sidious]

15 hours ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

Here's the thing though, this was a problem for all medieval female rulers (especially Mary and Elizabeth). By having a non ruler husband, she would be creating the perfect figure for people to rally against her. He would have the support of the Reach, because duh, all Aegon and Lannister supporters wishing vengeance, meaning at least the Westerlands and Dorne, all of the faith and the faithful, because they are misoginistic and because they liked Aegon. This is already a massive powerblock supporting Willas to overthrow Dany and establish himself as the reigning monarch. Just remember dragons don't protect you against palace coups.

I disagree.  Willas is not a Targaryen by blood.  He did not hatch dragons.  The Mother of Dragons has no equal.  The Targaryens carry a lot of weight.  And the one who brought back the dragons stands above all other Targaryen.  Daenerys Targaryen will be seen as the true figure of authority the very moment she arrives in Westeros.  The people will desire a return to Targaryen rule after the misery brought on by the Starks, Baratheons, Lannisters, Euron, and Lord Commander Jon Snow.  

[Darth Sidious]

9 hours ago, TheLastWolf said:

You could have just said "All Hail the Fairy Godmother Queen Dany Targ" 

All Hail the Fairy Godmother, Most Beautiful Woman n the World, Rightful Ruler of Westeros, Empress Daenerys Targaryen.  My favorite character.  

[Rondo]

11 minutes ago, Prince Rhaego Targaryen said:

All Hail the Fairy Godmother, Most Beautiful Woman n the World, Rightful Ruler of Westeros, Empress Daenerys Targaryen.  My favorite character.  

Mine too.

[TheLastWolf]

5 hours ago, Prince Rhaego Targaryen said:

All Hail the Fairy Godmother, Most Beautiful Woman n the World, Rightful Ruler of Westeros, Empress Daenerys Targaryen.  My favorite character.  

Meh 

5 hours ago, Rondo said:

Mine too.

What a surprise 

[CamiloRP]

12 hours ago, Prince Rhaego Targaryen said:

I disagree.  Willas is not a Targaryen by blood.  He did not hatch dragons.  The Mother of Dragons has no equal.  

Those are some worryingly pro-monarchic views m'dude, and kinda racist too.

[Alyn Oakenfist]

15 hours ago, Prince Rhaego Targaryen said:

I disagree.  Willas is not a Targaryen by blood.  He did not hatch dragons.  The Mother of Dragons has no equal.

True, the dragons might be enough to maintain her as the ruling partner, but even then it's hard, due to sexism, and the various perceptions about marriage.

15 hours ago, Prince Rhaego Targaryen said:

The Targaryens carry a lot of weight.

The also carry the legacy of the Mad King, Aegon the Unworthy, Baelor the Befuddled and Maegor the Cruel.

15 hours ago, Prince Rhaego Targaryen said:

aenerys Targaryen will be seen as the true figure of authority the very moment she arrives in Westeros.  The people will desire a return to Targaryen rule after the misery brought on by the Starks, Baratheons, Lannisters, Euron, and Lord Commander Jon Snow.  

The highlighted part is true, but the people will gather not to Dany, but to another Targaryen, Aegon.

[Rose of Red Lake]

Euron - who is basically Daario with noble blood. 

[El Guapo]

On 12/1/2020 at 7:37 PM, Prince Rhaego Targaryen said:

All Hail the Fairy Godmother, Most Beautiful Woman n the World, Rightful Ruler of Westeros, Empress Daenerys Targaryen.  My favorite character.  

Long may she reign!

[Thandros]

On Edmure Tully. Regardless of exactly what his orders were at least his plan made sense in the context of the military situation he found himself in. Robb's made no real sense in the context he was making it. Edmure had a reasonably well thought out plan that if it hadn't been for the Tyrells swiftness in defecting to there side might even have worked out leaving Tywin stuck between two armies he couldn't defeat. Robb's plan would on the context he made it in found himself in the same situation with larger armies on his flanks.

 

For the topic question it really depends on where both of them end up and equally important who's still alive to actually marry. Margaery may be an excellent choice for Jon's wife if he ends up as king of the seven kingdoms. The odds on her getting out of King's Landing alive are relatively slim with Cersei about. Just about anyone who comes out of the war with either a son or daughter while being relatively well connected and with a powerful enough position could make a good offer of marriage to either of them. 

A lot of reasonable names but just to throw one out there for Jon. If Margaery doesn't make it out of King's Landing, or does and decides maneuvering in the game of thrones after three marriages to simply go home, is Desmera Redwyne. She's cousin to the Tyrells twice over and her father owns one of the most powerful fleets afloat at the moment (It might not stay afloat but that all depends on Euron) and a wealthy prominent lordship.

As for Dany even if she does retain absolute power to herself rather than having to share it with a husband she's still not going to have most of the power unless she marries an absolute dullard in political affairs. Any reasonably well trained politician could use her to direct there own agenda using their position to encourage lords to move through him while persuading Dany to do what he wants. He could have little to no formal power yet wield a vast amount of power through exploiting both Westerosi social-political norms and his relatively minor position.

[James Fenimore Cooper XXII]

As I said or wrote earlier, all of Dany's husbands will die from treason.  Jon should not really even contemplate marriage but if he has to, take Shireen.  Jon is the heir to Mance Rayder and already a leader among the Wildlings.  That's what he should do but he wants Arya.  And so the internal turmoil begins. 

[Alyn Oakenfist]

7 hours ago, Thandros said:

On Edmure Tully. Regardless of exactly what his orders were at least his plan made sense in the context of the military situation he found himself in. Robb's made no real sense in the context he was making it. Edmure had a reasonably well thought out plan that if it hadn't been for the Tyrells swiftness in defecting to there side might even have worked out leaving Tywin stuck between two armies he couldn't defeat. Robb's plan would on the context he made it in found himself in the same situation with larger armies on his flanks.

7 hours ago, Thandros said:

Margaery may be an excellent choice for Jon's wife if he ends up as king of the seven kingdoms. The odds on her getting out of King's Landing alive are relatively slim with Cersei about.

I'd like to add that if she does make it out she still has a great chance of dying via Arianne. Figures, given that she actually seems to be a decent person, that her chances of survival are basically zilch.

7 hours ago, Thandros said:

Desmera Redwyne. She's cousin to the Tyrells twice over and her father owns one of the most powerful fleets afloat at the moment (It might not stay afloat but that all depends on Euron) and a wealthy prominent lordship.

Yeah, no way there's anything left of the Redwynes after the Battle of Blood. I can forsee a very happy ending for Desmera as Euron's sacrifice for whatever lovecraftian magic he does.

7 hours ago, Thandros said:

As for Dany even if she does retain absolute power to herself rather than having to share it with a husband she's still not going to have most of the power unless she marries an absolute dullard in political affairs. Any reasonably well trained politician could use her to direct there own agenda using their position to encourage lords to move through him while persuading Dany to do what he wants. He could have little to no formal power yet wield a vast amount of power through exploiting both Westerosi social-political norms and his relatively minor position.

Yeah exactly. And the only 2 people she might share power with are the Targs with the better claim, namely Jon or Aegon

[Nathan Stark]

On 12/1/2020 at 7:36 PM, Prince Rhaego Targaryen said:

I disagree.  Willas is not a Targaryen by blood.  He did not hatch dragons.  The Mother of Dragons has no equal.  The Targaryens carry a lot of weight.  And the one who brought back the dragons stands above all other Targaryen.  Daenerys Targaryen will be seen as the true figure of authority the very moment she arrives in Westeros.  The people will desire a return to Targaryen rule after the misery brought on by the Starks, Baratheons, Lannisters, Euron, and Lord Commander Jon Snow.  

Sure. And unicorns will carry the Dothraki on their backs, the Children of the Forest will place a laurel crown on Dany's head and Ghost will finally start juggling. See? A Song of Ice and Fire really was a fairy tale all along!

[TheLastWolf]

18 hours ago, Nathan Stark said:

Sure. And unicorns will carry the Dothraki on their backs, the Children of the Forest will place a laurel crown on Dany's head and Ghost will finally start juggling. See? A Song of Ice and Fire really was a fairy tale all along!

Why bother? I just attained enlightenment like the Buddha.... literally under a tree of the same species. Ignore them. But to claim people would want Targaryen rule after Jon's rule is utter crock. Jon ruled what people? Wildlings in a way. Was LC of NW. That's all. Smfh

[Alyn Oakenfist]

19 hours ago, Nathan Stark said:

Sure. And unicorns will carry the Dothraki on their backs, the Children of the Forest will place a laurel crown on Dany's head and Ghost will finally start juggling. See? A Song of Ice and Fire really was a fairy tale all along!

I don't think he's gonna realize you're being sarcastic.

Jokes aside, that is the entire purpose of Aegon, to be the savior Targaryen King, who comes to depose the hated tyrant and mend the realm. That's what Dany wishes to be, but it's what Aegon will be, and eventually her usurping and murdering him, combined with her absolutist style of rulership, will be what makes her into a hated ruler by everybody from the smallfolk, to the faith to the nobles. (accidental wildfire detonations might play a part too)

[Wolf's Bane]

On 12/6/2020 at 11:14 AM, James Fenimore Cooper XXII said:

As I said or wrote earlier, all of Dany's husbands will die from treason.  Jon should not really even contemplate marriage but if he has to, take Shireen.  Jon is the heir to Mance Rayder and already a leader among the Wildlings.  That's what he should do but he wants Arya.  And so the internal turmoil begins. 

Jon will end up with Arya either in life or after death.  The Starks who have wolves can get a second life.  Jon and Arya as direwolves.  They can skinchange frogs too but how much fun would that be.  Crannogmen admiring your legs all the time.  Second lives as wolves would be better. 

[Nathan Stark]

8 hours ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

I don't think he's gonna realize you're being sarcastic.

Jokes aside, that is the entire purpose of Aegon, to be the savior Targaryen King, who comes to depose the hated tyrant and mend the realm. That's what Dany wishes to be, but it's what Aegon will be, and eventually her usurping and murdering him, combined with her absolutist style of rulership, will be what makes her into a hated ruler by everybody from the smallfolk, to the faith to the nobles. (accidental wildfire detonations might play a part too)

I gotta disagree with you here, my friend. I actually find this vision for Aegon's future as fanciful as those put forth by the more ardent Dany stans. There are a multitude of ways for things to go wrong for Aegon. And there are a multitude of ways Dany might behave once she gets to Westeros. This is George we're talking about here. He's not going to make things as simple as what you are predicting here.