CamiloRP Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Ewan McGregor said: The Faceless men and the Citadel are in a century old consipracy against Valyria. They were the ones do destroy Valyria. They were the ones to kill the dragons. Or at least attempt to. I mean, I agree with both parts individually. Tho I'm not sure if the FM cause the doom, it's likely that they did, and even then you must agree it was good for the world and deserved. Specially if it was a slave revolt. But you seem convinced that not only they did, but they are allied, do you care to provide any proof? Quote Dany has managed to twart them in that, just like she will continue to twart the reactionaries. In the meantime however, if they can't strike at the last Targaryen, they'll strike at their legacy. King's Landing, a city built by them showing the great things they did for Westeros. They know the people of Kings Landing are still loyal to the Targaryens, which is another reason why they will remove it. The Citadel is anti magic, sure, but how does it transfer to it being anti-KL? I think there's no textual support to claim that, they just mistrust magic, but KL isn't magic, it would make more sense for them to want to destroy Dragonstone, Storm's End, Winterfell, etc. Similar problem with the FM. If they caused the Doom, they did so to kill the people who enslave them and either end valiryan slavery or just get revenge, why would it matter to destroy a city? The city isn't valiryan anymore, why not destroying Volantis or the cities of Slaver's Bay? They where built by Valiryans too, and practice slavery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose of Red Lake Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 I love how Dany, Valyrians, and Targaryens are never at fault. Even though GRRM said "probably, yes" when asked if Valyrians destroyed Valyria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall Flower Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 31 minutes ago, Rose of Red Lake said: I love how Dany, Valyrians, and Targaryens are never at fault. Even though GRRM said "probably, yes" when asked if Valyrians destroyed Valyria. That link says 'perhaps' rather than probably. George loves to prevaricate when questioned. In any case, the Valyrians would ultimately be at fault if they were struck down by a slave resistance movement. Pretty sure Dany can't be blamed for the Doom of Valyria, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoth the raven, Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 26 minutes ago, Rose of Red Lake said: I love how Dany, Valyrians, and Targaryens are never at fault. Even though GRRM said "probably, yes" when asked if Valyrians destroyed Valyria. I feel like greed got the better of them. They dug their mines too deep and weakened the fault. Valyria was situated on a fault. They knew and still continued digging. But the Targaryens are different from the other Valyrian nobles. I love Dany. You don't like Dany. It should not come as a surprise if we come to a lot of disagreements in the future. But it isn't fair to include the Targaryens in the blame game over the doom. They left their homeland. What happened to cause the Doom was not their fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose of Red Lake Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Quoth the raven, said: But it isn't fair to include the Targaryens in the blame game over the doom. I didnt say they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan McGregor Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 7 hours ago, Rose of Red Lake said: Even though GRRM said "probably, yes" when asked if Valyrians destroyed Valyria. The other Valyrians where at blame for letting their guard down. The Targaryens however where the only ones that knew what to do, so that is why they survived. Similarly Dany is now the only leader that knows what to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose of Red Lake Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 25 minutes ago, Ewan McGregor said: The other Valyrians where at blame for letting their guard down. The Targaryens however where the only ones that knew what to do, so that is why they survived. Similarly Dany is now the only leader that knows what to do Blocked at 33 posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 33 minutes ago, Rose of Red Lake said: 59 minutes ago, Ewan McGregor said: The other Valyrians where at blame for letting their guard down. The Targaryens however where the only ones that knew what to do, so that is why they survived. Similarly Dany is now the only leader that knows what to do Blocked at 33 posts. Impressive. Most impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastWolf Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Rose of Red Lake said: Blocked at 33 posts. How'd you find out 2 hours ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: Impressive. Most impressive Can't understand Edit Is his spam account blocked? Is Sheev's too? Or (wishful, ik) all 900+ blocked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 34 minutes ago, TheLastWolf said: 3 hours ago, Rose of Red Lake said: Blocked at 33 posts. How'd you find out 34 minutes ago, TheLastWolf said: 3 hours ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: Impressive. Most impressive Can't understand Edit Is his spam account blocked? Is Sheev's too? Or (wishful, ik) all 900+ blocked? I think she means she blocked him and is no longer seeing what he posts. Not sure how you do that though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldarion Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 24 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: I think she means she blocked him and is no longer seeing what he posts. Not sure how you do that though You hover over user's name and when profile appears, select "ignore user". 11 hours ago, Wall Flower said: That link says 'perhaps' rather than probably. George loves to prevaricate when questioned. In any case, the Valyrians would ultimately be at fault if they were struck down by a slave resistance movement. Pretty sure Dany can't be blamed for the Doom of Valyria, though. Dany can't. But Valyrians? One theory I've seen states that volcanoes erupted due to overuse of (fire-based) magic. Which sounds reasonable, though another possibility is that the Faceless Men detonated the volcanoes. But maybe I'm overthinking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall Flower Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 8 minutes ago, Aldarion said: You hover over user's name and when profile appears, select "ignore user". Dany can't. But Valyrians? One theory I've seen states that volcanoes erupted due to overuse of (fire-based) magic. Which sounds reasonable, though another possibility is that the Faceless Men detonated the volcanoes. But maybe I'm overthinking it. I think either way, the Valyrians have to bear some responsibility. The Wiki says that one theory was too many assassinations of the mages controlling the Fourteen Flames and their spells faltered. Although, it could have been a natural phenomenon I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 30 minutes ago, Aldarion said: You hover over user's name and when profile appears, select "ignore user". Thanks!!! 9 minutes ago, Wall Flower said: Although, it could have been a natural phenomenon I guess. Could be a Mines of Moria kind of thing with them digging too much and unveiling too power a magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastWolf Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: I think she means she blocked him and is no longer seeing what he posts. Not sure how you do that though 3 hours ago, Aldarion said: You hover over user's name and when profile appears, select "ignore user". Thank you both for clearing up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 I don’t believe the entire city can blow up accidentally. Somebody with knowledge, like the pyromancer and the FM, would have to rig the barrels to create a chain reaction. Besides those groups, only Jaime would have a clue as to the whereabouts of the cache. Jaquen was searching when he got caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldarion Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 On 1/15/2021 at 12:36 AM, Quoth the raven, said: I feel like greed got the better of them. They dug their mines too deep and weakened the fault. Valyria was situated on a fault. They knew and still continued digging. But the Targaryens are different from the other Valyrian nobles. I love Dany. You don't like Dany. It should not come as a surprise if we come to a lot of disagreements in the future. But it isn't fair to include the Targaryens in the blame game over the doom. They left their homeland. What happened to cause the Doom was not their fault. I would say it was. https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/dugtoodeep01_7893.png Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 The Valyrians worked slaves to death in their mines (and perhaps used them for sacrificial purposes). It would be no surprise if escaped slaves played a part in the Doom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egged Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Jaime, taking down the Red Keep with himself and Cersei. Jaime has a dream of the Targs and Starks condemning him, so I think there's no redemption for him or he believes there isn't, so ultimately he returns to Cersei. And in that final moment, Cersei realizes Maggy's prophecy was wrong, but it's too late and it's all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damsel in Distress Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 On 1/15/2021 at 5:54 AM, Aldarion said: Dany can't. But Valyrians? One theory I've seen states that volcanoes erupted due to overuse of (fire-based) magic. Which sounds reasonable, though another possibility is that the Faceless Men detonated the volcanoes. But maybe I'm overthinking it. The Faceless Men are the leading suspects. That's the reason why a lot of people believe that it will be Arya Stark who will detonate the wildfire and blow up King's Landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose of Red Lake Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 On 1/15/2021 at 9:30 AM, Widowmaker 811 said: I don’t believe the entire city can blow up accidentally. Google "Nuclear accidents in history" Then google GRRM's interviews on where he talks about how "fantasy is bigger than real life" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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