Jaenara Belarys Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 16 hours ago, Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers said: Incest leads to disease and weakened immune systems not malformed physical appearance Charles Habsburg begs to differ. Look up Hapsburg jaw on Google. Besides the Gothmog thing is just exaggeration to help get the point across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Jaenara Belarys said: Charles Hapsburg begs to differ. Look up Hapsburg jaw on Google. Oooof, was thinking about king tut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaenara Belarys Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers said: Oooof, was thinking about king tut Maybe the Pharaohs are where GRRM got the incest tradition from? Google (too much overreliance) says that it was a custom for them to marry their sisters or half sisters.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share Posted October 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jaenara Belarys said: Maybe the Pharaohs are where GRRM got the incest tradition from? Google (too much overreliance) says that it was a custom for them to marry their sisters or half sisters.... I don’t have the quote on me, but I do recall reading that he used the Ptolemys as inspiration for Targaryen incest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaenara Belarys Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 minute ago, The Bard of Banefort said: I don’t have the quote on me, but I do recall reading that he used the Ptolemys as inspiration for Targaryen incest. Delightful custom, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeron the Daring Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 9 hours ago, Jaenara Belarys said: Delightful custom, isn't it? Well, in the middle East (Islamic countries, I mean) more than half of legal marriages (around 55%) happens between second cousins and closer relatives (people aren't allowed to marry a niece/nephew/uncle/aunt, making a marriage between first cousins the most incestous). For that reason, the average life expectancy is somewhat lower than it could be (with a single year), altough the thing that's important is that since they've been doing it for so long (due to it being customary since hell knows when), these people aren't affected by it in a decree people from any Western European country would be. (altough the difference isn't THAT big or anything) It's all about how much DNA you share with the person you'll have a child with, and how much bad mutual DNA you share. The more you share of the bad ones, the higher the risks. Since these people been doing it for so long (we speak of common usual people here) they are slowly leaving behind the bad ones due to natural selection, making the risks smaller and smaller. It doesn't make them hideous, etc. As of Charles of Spain, it is important to know that altough his parents were cousins, the two shared (slightly) more DNA than siblings would. Because of the many previous incestuous unions which they came from in a short time. And Charles of Spain was, even considering that, and exceptionally unlucky case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EggBlue Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Daeron the Daring said: Well, in the middle East (Islamic countries, I mean) more than half of legal marriages (around 55%) happens between second cousins and closer relatives (people aren't allowed to marry a niece/nephew/uncle/aunt, making a marriage between first cousins the most incestous). now that you mention it, fun fact: there is a saying that says " first cousins union is celebrated in the skies" :))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megorova Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Back on topic of Baseless Predictions: - Duncan the Tall had 5 children, 3 boys and 2 girls, same as Egg. - When Dany will be brought to Vaes Dothrak, amongst dosh khaleen she will meet a woman who is Khal Drogo's great-grandmother and Viserys Plumm's daughter. She will tell Dany a story that her father Viserys, same as Dany's brother Viserys, also sold her to the Dothraki. Same as Dany she was married to a Dothraki Khal, though as a price for her that time the Dothraki gave to the newly formed Golden Company 10.000 horses. While in Dany's case her price was deemed by them to be higher - they were willing to give to Viserys not only 10.000 of their horses, but also 10.000 of their warriors. - When Dany will arrive to Westeros, Brienne will meet her mother - Pretty Meris from Windblown, because Tattered Prince will join forces with Dany's other armies/companies. And then thru Meris GRRM will reveal to readers that Brienne is Dunk's descendant, and that his old shield was left at the Tarth's armory by Meris, prior she left Westeros and her newborn daughter. - Jon Connington will go to the Citadel, where he will meet Sam. And afterwards af a payment for Sam curring him, he will escort Sam back to The Wall, where he will meet Jon and will realise who Jon is. Because Jon's personality is exactly like Rhaegar's. That's why JonCon is already suspecting that fAegon is not Rhaegar's son - his personality is totally different from Rhaegar's. - TWOW will be released in 2023, and ADWD in 2025 (at least I hope so ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Megorova said: TWOW will be released in 2023, and ADWD in 2025 (at least I hope so ). most baseless part of the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 13 hours ago, Jaenara Belarys said: Delightful custom, isn't it? @Jaenara Belarysit makes sense for the Targaryens because they wanted as much Valyrian blood as possible in their descendants veins to control dragons. This is achieved by incest because there are no other Valyrians to breed with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 13 hours ago, Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers said: Incest leads to disease and weakened immune systems not malformed physical appearance Google Habsburg chin sometime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Lord Lannister said: Google Habsburg chin sometime. i did lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megorova Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 41 minutes ago, Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers said: @Jaenara Belarysit makes sense for the Targaryens because they wanted as much Valyrian blood as possible in their descendants veins to control dragons. Starks were also practicing inbreeding to keep their blood as pure as possible, because their Pact with the Children was based on blood magic. For the ritual that sealed the Pact was used the blood of Bran the Builder, the founder of House Stark. That's why there always has to be a Stark at Winterfell, furthermore that Stark has to have at least some of the Last Hero's genes. Look at their family tree (if you have read my theory written in the 16th part of the Swan Song) - all Starks nearly always married not only with Northerners, but specifically with those Northerners to whom they were bloodrelated. Aside from Alysanne Blackwood - Cregan Stark's second wife. Out of Cregan Stark's ten children - 1. Rickon, 2. Sarra, 3. Alys, 4. Raya, 5. Mariah, 6. Jonnel, 7. Edric, 8. Lyanna, 9. Barthogan, 10. Brandon. - the daughters of 1 (Sansa and Serena) married with 6 & 7 (their half-uncles), a daughter of 2 married with a son of 10, a daughter of 3 married with 10 (with a guy who was her half-uncle), a great-granddaughter of 4 (Arya Flint) married with a grandson of 10, a granddaughter of 5 (Melantha Blackwood) married with a grandson of 10, 6&7 married with the daughters of their older half-brother 1 (Rickon). The mother of Cregan's children 6-10 was also a Stark - his third wife, Lynara Stark. So as you can see - Starks favoured marriages with people who also were carriers of Stark blood, same as them. Same as Targaryens the Starks were keeping their blood pure, because of magic-related reasons. Targaryens had to follow that "delightful custom" out of necessity. And unlike the Starks, after the Tragedy at Summerhall, Targaryens didn't had a vast pool from which they could have chosen other carriers of the same blood as theirs. Starks were doing the same thing as Targaryens, only in their case it was less obvious, because they had more relatives from whom they were able to choose spouses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaenara Belarys Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Lord Lannister said: Google Habsburg chin sometime. Oh, is that how you spell it? Habsburg, not Hapsburg? 2 hours ago, Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers said: @Jaenara Belarysit makes sense for the Targaryens because they wanted as much Valyrian blood as possible in their descendants veins to control dragons. This is achieved by incest because there are no other Valyrians to breed with. This is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Banefort Posted October 9, 2021 Author Share Posted October 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Megorova said: Back on topic of Baseless Predictions: - Duncan the Tall had 5 children, 3 boys and 2 girls, same as Egg. - When Dany will be brought to Vaes Dothrak, amongst dosh khaleen she will meet a woman who is Khal Drogo's great-grandmother and Viserys Plumm's daughter. She will tell Dany a story that her father Viserys, same as Dany's brother Viserys, also sold her to the Dothraki. Same as Dany she was married to a Dothraki Khal, though as a price for her that time the Dothraki gave to the newly formed Golden Company 10.000 horses. While in Dany's case her price was deemed by them to be higher - they were willing to give to Viserys not only 10.000 of their horses, but also 10.000 of their warriors. - When Dany will arrive to Westeros, Brienne will meet her mother - Pretty Meris from Windblown, because Tattered Prince will join forces with Dany's other armies/companies. And then thru Meris GRRM will reveal to readers that Brienne is Dunk's descendant, and that his old shield was left at the Tarth's armory by Meris, prior she left Westeros and her newborn daughter. - Jon Connington will go to the Citadel, where he will meet Sam. And afterwards af a payment for Sam curring him, he will escort Sam back to The Wall, where he will meet Jon and will realise who Jon is. Because Jon's personality is exactly like Rhaegar's. That's why JonCon is already suspecting that fAegon is not Rhaegar's son - his personality is totally different from Rhaegar's. - TWOW will be released in 2023, and ADWD in 2025 (at least I hope so ). Thank you. I’m glad everyone is having fun, but the point of baseless predictions is that you actually believe them, even if you have no reason to lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaenara Belarys Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 LOTR and ASIOAF are on the same planet, and soon we'll be having a wizard showing up muttering: Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky. Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone. Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die. One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne in the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrettyLittlePsycho Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 16 hours ago, Jaenara Belarys said: LOTR and ASIOAF are on the same planet, and soon we'll be having a wizard showing up muttering: Three Rings for the Elven-kings under the sky. Seven for the Dwarf-lords in their halls of stone. Nine for Mortal Men doomed to die. One for the Dark Lord on his dark throne in the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. In the Land of Mordor where the Shadows lie. But then you gotta explain why Ned and Boromir are one and the same person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrettyLittlePsycho Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 To my favourites: Arya and fArya will meet in Bravoos, fArya will take Arya´s place with the FM so she can head back to Westeros without a bunch of of revenge-seeking Assassins on her trail. Already mentioned here, Arya will mercy-kill Stoneheart. Also believe that she will break her Needle doing so and will later get Dark Sister as replacement which Bran found in Bloodraven/Brynden River´s cave. Septa Lemore is Ashara Dayne, Jon´s mum, Aegon/Young Griff is Lyanna and Rheagar´s child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Clegg Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 My utterly baseless prediction, mainly in the expectation that GRRM will lean even more into horror territory than he has already: Cersei is (or will be) pregnant with a boy, but it will be stillborn just as the White Walkers reach King's landing. The child will then be risen as a wight and strangle Cersei, fulfilling Maggy the Frog's valonqar prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 18 hours ago, Jaenara Belarys said: Oh, is that how you spell it? Habsburg, not Hapsburg? Both work. Habsburg seems to be used more but I learned of them as the Hapsburgs as a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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