CamiloRP Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 48 minutes ago, Quoth the raven, said: Bloodraven is Obi Wan and Bran is Darth Vader. Evidence? Bloodraven is a dude that did something so bad he was sent to the Wall by his own blood. The nature focused guru that helps the protagonist out of the kindness of their heart is a trope, and GRRM likes subverting and exploring them. Why would the COTF want to help Bran? Why would they want to help BR? Is he even still alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastWolf Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 @CamiloRPis the most optimistic forum member. But you'd have better luck trying to correct a neo Nazi than what you are doing in recent threads with irrationally biased haters. All the best anyway. May you succeed where I and many failed. Spoiler Really ATB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingintheNorth4 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 On 12/24/2020 at 2:47 PM, James West said: "Better to reign in hell, than serve in heaven" Jon Snow and Arya Stark cannot be expected to have the wisdom and humility of Torrhen. It is only a matter of time until Bran Stark betrays Brynden Rivers and rejects his teachings. Rickon Stark is not going to be an altar boy unless it's to slit people's throats in front of the weirwoods. Jon and Arya have proven that they cannot function within the boundaries of rules and laws. The Starks will choose independence over being a part of a Queendom/Kingdom/Empire. The barrier called Moat Cailin and the Neck will prevent the Targaryen forces from advancing from the South. The land will not be united. I would not put it past the Starks to use their skin changing powers to use wights and other creatures in battle. They will be able to hold off any advance from the South. And they will reap the consequences of that decision. They will get their independence and their freedom but they will rule over a frozen hell with few living inhabitants. A pact with the Others will be involved which may require the Starks to give a son every so often. This post makes no sense whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamiloRP Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 10 hours ago, TheLastWolf said: @CamiloRPis the most optimistic forum member. I don't know if optimistic... maybe dreamer? is that the correct translation? anyhow, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLastWolf Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 8 hours ago, KingintheNorth4 said: This post makes no sense whatsoever. The most lucid, concise, precise, accurate statement of this thread, if it can be called that at all. 38 minutes ago, CamiloRP said: I don't know if optimistic... maybe dreamer? is that the correct translation? anyhow, thanks! Dreamers change the world. I too dream, but since I'm a teen, it's usually naked women. Just kidding. And I'm the one to thank you. Atb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 12 hours ago, KingintheNorth4 said: This post makes no sense whatsoever Maybe it seems illogical at first, but if you look closely you'll realize there aren't enough drugs in the multiverse to make this shit sound like anything besides hate filled drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose of Red Lake Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 On 12/28/2020 at 7:18 AM, Quoth the raven, said: Bloodraven is Obi Wan and Bran is Darth Vader. I: What about the families: Are the Starks, say, the Green Bay Packers? GRRM: Whenever I propose analogies like that, fans jump in with their own ideas, but it depends on what team you root for. To me, the Starks Bloodraven and anyone who kills Darth Bran are heroes, so they would be the Giants. (x) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Sidious Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 On 12/24/2020 at 3:47 PM, James West said: "Better to reign in hell, than serve in heaven" Jon Snow and Arya Stark cannot be expected to have the wisdom and humility of Torrhen. It is only a matter of time until Bran Stark betrays Brynden Rivers and rejects his teachings. Rickon Stark is not going to be an altar boy unless it's to slit people's throats in front of the weirwoods. Jon and Arya have proven that they cannot function within the boundaries of rules and laws. The Starks will choose independence over being a part of a Queendom/Kingdom/Empire. The barrier called Moat Cailin and the Neck will prevent the Targaryen forces from advancing from the South. The land will not be united. I would not put it past the Starks to use their skin changing powers to use wights and other creatures in battle. They will be able to hold off any advance from the South. And they will reap the consequences of that decision. They will get their independence and their freedom but they will rule over a frozen hell with few living inhabitants. A pact with the Others will be involved which may require the Starks to give a son every so often. Arrogant or not, they will come back to Winterfell and control the north. The north will be a kingdom of a King of Winter again. The Others can be bought off with offerings of baby boys from the family. Craster’s son is at the Wall. He’s a Stark The Starks and Craster are related. The NK, Starks, Craster, and Karstarks are connected by blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 6 hours ago, Prince Rhaego Targaryen said: The Others can be bought off with offerings of baby boys from the family. Craster’s son is at the Wall. He’s a Stark The Starks and Craster are related. The NK, Starks, Craster, and Karstarks are connected by blood. I'd like to say that sounds like crackpot, but let's be honest, it's the kind of fucked up shit GRRM would consider to be a bittersweet ending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 Giving one boy was enough to buy Craster his freedom. His keep is nothing to brag about. To buy peace for the north would require more than one. Maybe more bargaining material will be needed. The Starks can give up the body of the NK and his NQ if they are resting in the crypts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damsel in Distress Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 On 12/24/2020 at 3:47 PM, James West said: "Better to reign in hell, than serve in heaven" Jon Snow and Arya Stark cannot be expected to have the wisdom and humility of Torrhen. It is only a matter of time until Bran Stark betrays Brynden Rivers and rejects his teachings. Rickon Stark is not going to be an altar boy unless it's to slit people's throats in front of the weirwoods. Jon and Arya have proven that they cannot function within the boundaries of rules and laws. The Starks will choose independence over being a part of a Queendom/Kingdom/Empire. The barrier called Moat Cailin and the Neck will prevent the Targaryen forces from advancing from the South. The land will not be united. I would not put it past the Starks to use their skin changing powers to use wights and other creatures in battle. They will be able to hold off any advance from the South. And they will reap the consequences of that decision. They will get their independence and their freedom but they will rule over a frozen hell with few living inhabitants. A pact with the Others will be involved which may require the Starks to give a son every so often. Westeros Lost. The Lord Commander has betrayed the brotherhood who were assigned to guard her. That small decision was made without hate or harmful intent on the part of Jon but it will lead to the fall of the watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damsel in Distress Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 On 12/24/2020 at 3:47 PM, James West said: "Better to reign in hell, than serve in heaven" Jon Snow and Arya Stark cannot be expected to have the wisdom and humility of Torrhen. It is only a matter of time until Bran Stark betrays Brynden Rivers and rejects his teachings. Rickon Stark is not going to be an altar boy unless it's to slit people's throats in front of the weirwoods. Jon and Arya have proven that they cannot function within the boundaries of rules and laws. The Starks will choose independence over being a part of a Queendom/Kingdom/Empire. The barrier called Moat Cailin and the Neck will prevent the Targaryen forces from advancing from the South. The land will not be united. I would not put it past the Starks to use their skin changing powers to use wights and other creatures in battle. They will be able to hold off any advance from the South. And they will reap the consequences of that decision. They will get their independence and their freedom but they will rule over a frozen hell with few living inhabitants. A pact with the Others will be involved which may require the Starks to give a son every so often. They may choose to stay because of the affection they have for Winterfell. It may be that and nothing more complex. The Others will have to accept them. What will the Starks offer to the Others? A son of the house is a good guess. Nations send their sons to war to buy and keep their freedom. Every lord who wish to stay will need to donate a son to the Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowen 747 Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 12/24/2020 at 3:47 PM, James West said: They will get their independence and their freedom but they will rule over a frozen hell with few living inhabitants. Only if hell freezes. It can in this universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James West Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 On 12/24/2020 at 3:55 PM, Widowmaker 811 said: Bran, the Star Wars inspired betrayal. Blood raven served Westeros and the royal family for a long time. He deserves better. Bran will have to employ some type of a dirty trick to overpower Bloodraven. He’s not learned enough to fight the master. Bran has more abilities. He could learn just enough to be dangerous. A lot of power but without the training and the wisdom on its appropriate use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lord of the Crossing Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 That's part of Bran's problem. He has the powers but not the intelligence nor the wisdom to manage his talents. He will misuse those gifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilac & Gooseberries Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 This is getting old but can any supporter of this thing provide any evidence from the text? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Stark Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 5 hours ago, Lilac & Gooseberries said: This is getting old but can any supporter of this thing provide any evidence from the text? That indeed is the question. So far as I can tell, most posts of this genre are 90% speculation and 10% fanfic. Time may tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, Nathan Stark said: That indeed is the question. So far as I can tell, most posts of this genre are 90% speculation and 10% fanfic. Time may tell. Still better than the 8th season of the abomination though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daeron the Daring Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 This topic should be closed, since it has no purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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