Aldarion Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Following is the first part of the series of posts I wrote on whether dragons are evil. To me, it appears that misconception that Western dragons are universally evil and Eastern dragons universally good is relatively common. But that, as I have noted, is a misconception. Even in the Bible, not all dragons are evil, and greater Western mythological tradition has many examples of good or benevolent dragons. https://military-fantasy.com/2021/01/03/are-dragons-evil-part-1-introduction-and-bible/ Summa summarum: it is complicated. But as can be seen from above, even the Bible - the Old Testament, especially - does not support the idea that all dragons are somehow inherently evil. Dangerous, independent and violent, yes, those are all true - though even the "violent" part is not actually true for all dragons. But evil, no - or at least no more than any other living beings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Existentialist dragz don't believe in Manichean dragz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken one Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 It reminded me of the Order of the Dragon founded by the Sigismund of Luxembourg and its sign. It is said to be the dragon St. George slain, so it is evil one. Strange choice for defenders of christianity. Id start with defining what dragon is. Are dragons of East, West and the middle the same creatures? I take impression they are bunch of different, local mythical beasts merged into one, polyphyletic group by modern culture. Is Mushussu a dragon at all? Cetus killed by Perseus was whale-like beast (it even means whale in latin afair), now it is called a dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairparavel Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Thank you for asking this. It's been keeping me up at night. That and wondering if dragons are susceptible to/carriers of Coronaviruses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Puff the Magic Dragon really confused the whole issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairparavel Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Also, do you think dragons can open a can of beans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Just now, kairparavel said: Also, do you think dragons can open a can of beans? Does it have a pull tab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigoTheCarpathian Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 7 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: Puff the Magic Dragon really confused the whole issue. Puff did muddy things, being one of the post-modern dragon icons - an immortal peddling drugs to the children of Honnalee is probably evil, but he was sharing his stash and ushering them into adulthood... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A wilding Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 12 minutes ago, kairparavel said: Also, do you think dragons can open a can of beans? Is this a version of the old joke where the dragon says "Oh no, not canned food again"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datepalm Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 44 minutes ago, kairparavel said: Thank you for asking this. It's been keeping me up at night. That and wondering if dragons are susceptible to/carriers of Coronaviruses. They're a very mobile group and may definitely serve as a superspreaders. Serious causal studies are necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairparavel Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, A wilding said: Is this a version of the old joke where the dragon says "Oh no, not canned food again"? The main character on Twitter yesterday was a father, aka can opener dad, who refused to show his 9 year old daughter how to open a can of beans and instead forced 6 hours of 'learning moment' before she could eat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galactus Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 46 minutes ago, Datepalm said: They're a very mobile group and may definitely serve as a superspreaders. Serious causal studies are necessary. On the one hand, I'm not sure if we've had any non-mammals susceptible to coronavirus. On the other hand, dragons can breed with humans, so maybe they can get our diseases? Also, the question becomes if dragons are closer to dinosaurs or lizards. (ducks apparently cannot get covid?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Fragile Bird said: Puff the Magic Dragon really confused the whole issue. But Piff the Magic Dragon cleared it right up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry of the Lawn Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 JFC I heard people mentioning some "Bean Dad" being cancelled but had I idea what actually happened. Fucking hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxom 1974 Posted January 3, 2021 Share Posted January 3, 2021 48 minutes ago, kairparavel said: The main character on Twitter yesterday was a father, aka can opener dad, who refused to show his 9 year old daughter how to open a can of beans and instead forced 6 hours of 'learning moment' before she could eat. Ok. I was trying to parse what that was on Twitter... So maybe dragons are evil, maybe they're not... depends on the color though, eh? But bean dad certainly is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Where would we be without dragons? They are a wonderful deterent to over population amongst the peasants are they not? I vote not evil and very necessary to the balance of an orderly population. Sort of like the wolves to the moose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inkdaub Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 Dragons are not fundamentally evil but they are wild. It is unclear how dragons are affected by Covid19 or the vaccine. It should be noted that it is very rare to be within six feet of a dragon. Unless it is one of those dragons who befriends you and takes you on adventures...then you should wear a mask I guess. A dragon could open a can of beans but naturally would refuse to do so. Bean Dad sounds smug. People responding to him on Twitter, though, are comparing assembling a computer by hand and the Pythagorean theorem to being able to use a can opener. The kid probably can assemble a computer but is it unusual that a nine year old cannot use a can opener? Am I just an old man? That sounds absurd to me. In the interest of full disclosure...I have no kids and have no memory of being nine. Dragons can often have a chaotic effect so maybe that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elder Sister Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 I feel like dragons are sort of the Kardashians of the monster world. They’re everywhere, they’re always overdressed, they have all the money, and they’re incredibly ostentatious. I like them quite a lot, but I feel like more attention could be paid to orbs and ghouls. Or even wendigos. ETA: Bean dad seems like a total asshat best case scenario. Little kids cannot open cans of food with a can opener at 9 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mlle. Zabzie Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 I have a question about the assertion up thread that dragons can breed with humans? Is that correct or can they only breed with lizard people? Asking for my husband’s uncle who follows Q? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted January 6, 2021 Share Posted January 6, 2021 13 minutes ago, Mlle. Zabzie said: I have a question about the assertion up thread that dragons can breed with humans? Is that correct or can they only breed with lizard people? Asking for my husband’s uncle who follows Q? I'll repost this from the watch thread. The quote of the year from a movie in 2020 is this: "The money plane has you covered, you want to bet on a dude fucking an alligator? Money plane." -Money Plane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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