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On Garland, Ian Millhiser has a crystal ball!!!

So, congratulations to Jackson!  She should be a great justice and that better happen soon, as it's the only thing that makes it worth it.  As I said last night, I do not get Garland as AG.  I am not convinced he'll be as aggressive as necessary - especially compared to Yates or Jones - and I'm not convinced he's right for the job as an administrator - again, especially compared to Yates or Jones.  After last night there was no concern about getting Yates confirmed and Jones would have been overwhelmingly confirmed.  Other than elevating Jackson, it's very hard for me to see upside here politically or substantively.

However, as anticipated, he announced the rest of the top DoJ team to soften the blow, and it is outstanding:

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Biden will also nominate Lisa Monaco as deputy attorney general, Vanita Gupta as associate attorney general, and Kristen Clarke as assistant attorney general for civil rights, per people familiar with the personnel decisions. The news of those pending appointments was first reported by the Associated Press.

Monaco served as Obama’s homeland security adviser and has been heavily involved in Biden’s transition. Gupta worked as U.S. assistant attorney general for civil rights in the Obama administration and is currently the president of the leadership conference on civil and human rights. Clarke is the president of the civil rights group, Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, and previously ran the civil rights bureau in the New York State Office of the Attorney General.

Gupta, in particular, is a great pick.  Hell, I'd much rather those three just occupy the top three spots.

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3 minutes ago, Fez said:

It's started. 

Took a while, but it seems like the police are finally reacting with force.

Yeah.  I don't envy them.  There aren't great answers in deciding when to show force like this.  And you know at least some of the maggits are packing.  It's all REAL BAD.  Hope mass arrests ensue.

1 minute ago, larrytheimp said:

I dunno, it seems to be working pretty well on the $2000 checks.  Biden went from being fine with no second round of checks to supporting $2k now.  Hard to believe the pressure from the left had nothing to do with it.

I generally think the idea that we can push them left is laughable, but it seems to have worked here.

One thing I will note is that the Democratic coalition is pretty broad right now.  So while there is a very active progressive wing, there is also a pretty active moderate wing, and so there will be (and should be) compromises.  Hooray for functional governance for at least 2 years!

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7 minutes ago, larrytheimp said:

I dunno, it seems to be working pretty well on the $2000 checks.  Biden went from being fine with no second round of checks to supporting $2k now.  Hard to believe the pressure from the left had nothing to do with it.

I generally think the idea that we can push them left is laughable, but it seems to have worked here.

But that was my point. Sell it and look for allies in both the usual and the unusual places. It scored the likes of Hawley and other Rs.

Lay off the complaining and do the work.

They weren't pushed. They bought a good sales pitch.

Edited by Lollygag

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Just now, kairparavel said:

Aggressive /violent seditious white folks from out of town get way more leeway on the grounds of the Capitol than Black citizens do in the streets of their own city during peaceful protests. It's nauseating. 

Well hell, girl, you didn’t think Trump was calling in the military and the black helicopters to protect Congress, did you? 

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4 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

Well hell, girl, you didn’t think Trump was calling in the military and the black helicopters to protect Congress, did you? 

Still. There's 2,200 officers in the Capitol Police and over 5,000 in the DCPD; plus DC can request both police and national guard support from Maryland and Virginia (and has in the past). Feels like a distinct under-preparation for today.

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7 minutes ago, Mlle. Zabzie said:

One thing I will note is that the Democratic coalition is pretty broad right now.

We are here!  Really here! With at least a faint majority so that we can maybe go to war on the virus and start rebuilding this country, rebuilding hopefully better and more equitably while equally preparing to be creative and intelligent about living with the climate catastrophes -- and covid will not be the last pandemic, doubtless.

The utterly essential matter we must keep in the forefront of all our minds as that we are here because we all have been here.  We've all been working as hard as we can in our various ways to get here, the first step to saving ourselves as a nation and not unlikely as a species.

This really does mean all of us, even to high degree the ones many of us most like to sneer at: the over 60, white, middle class, book club women, even of Kansas.  These women, as mainstream and maybe tone deaf to their patronizing sense of white saviors for black people, and so on, they did work their asses off, and they sent huge amounts of money in aggregate to the Dems in Georgia and to the national candidates as well.  They also work on the ground locally for the Dems.  They've been working since at least Hillary's campaign.

While I'm gonna give the majority of gratitude to Black people, to other groups considered 'not white' like the activist coalitions out of which came the Squad, Imma brimming with gratitude to my white middle class ladie4s too.

 

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Oh boy, they aren't even trying to hide it anymore. That is treading perilously close to the 14 words.

 

Edited by GrimTuesday

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I'm a mile away from the Capitol and I have been hearing random sirens for the past few hours. But yeah, the woeful underestimating by authorities of what was going to happen here is telling.

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1 minute ago, kairparavel said:

I'm a mile away from the Capitol and I have been hearing random sirens for the past few hours. But yeah, the woeful underestimating by authorities of what was going to happen here is telling.

Maybe a lot of cops called in sick and are on the other side of the barricades.

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Holy shit.

 

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49 minutes ago, GrimTuesday said:

it's about who is going to use their leverage to blunt the Democratic agenda. We are less than 24 hours out from the Dems taking control of the Senate, and we already have one of the most prominent centrist Democrats coming out making excuses for why we won't be able to do the major things we need to do.

The notion that Chris Coons will in any way blunt Biden and congressional Democrats' legislative agenda is one of the most ass backwards assertions imaginable.  He is naturally going to be the administration's key ally in garnering support among the Senate caucus for Biden's legislative initiatives and he is respected across the ideological spectrum as a workhorse legislator.  The fact he pointed out the obvious that things like PR statehood and changing the composition of the court are off the table doesn't change a damn thing.

Edited by DMC

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57 minutes ago, Fez said:

Apparently 60 Republican House members objected to Arizona's certification. That's actually less than I thought it'd be. Cruz objected too; not sure how many other Republican senators did. So now we get 2 hours debate in each chamber.

I meant to post yesterday about an interview done on CNBC with Jeffrey Sonnenfeld from the Yale School of Management, about the latest CEO survey they did. After the election they did a call with 30 or 40 CEOs and former CEOs and the feeling then was that saying Trump might attempt a coup was over the top language. The call they did on Monday, apparently at the request of some of the CEOs on the last call, was very strongly against Trump's actions.

Some CEOs told Sonnenfeld that they would be approaching members of Congress, through their lobbyists, that if they proceeded with their plans to contest the electoral vote they would be losing their support.. Sonnefeld said this was the first time he had ever heard this group say something like that. I was wondering if we'd see a few people back down. Money talks.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/01/05/new-ceo-survey-on-public-officials-denying-election-results.html

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What an absolutely bonkers day in American history. Holy crap. This feels like a season of 24 .

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So with the rioting going on incited by Trump, he has to be arrested by the end of the day, right? Particularly if anyone gets hurt...

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1 minute ago, Argonath Diver said:

This feels like a season of 24 .

It really does.  Someone needs to sic Jack Bauer on these fucks.

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2 minutes ago, DMC said:

The notion that Chris Coons will in any way blunt Biden and congressional Democrats' legislative agenda is one of the most ass backwards assertions imaginable.  He is naturally going to be the administration's key allies in garnering support among the Senate caucus for Biden's legislative initiatives and he is respected across the ideological spectrum as a workhorse legislator.  The fact he pointed out the obvious that things like PR statehood and changing the composition of the court are off the table doesn't change a damn thing.

Chris Coons is one of those guys who actively forms those sorts of gang of X groups that exist to water down legislation in a vein effort to pick up Republican votes. Those sorts of groups are what is going to be a problem.

There is currently one member of the Capitol Police inside the door of the capitol where protesters are forcing their way in. What a mess.

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