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US Politics: Autogolpe big or golpe home


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8 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

And The GOP can't leave them.  The fringe has now become the center. This is why they've been catering to these idiots for years. If they lose the conspiracy mongering, Q anon proud boys wing of the party, they'll never crack more than 25% in a federal election ever again. 

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I have nothing to add here except to say that it's good to hear Michael Brooks doing his Obama impression and that obnoxious laugh. RIP to a legend.

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Also, seeing more and more congressfolk specifically using the insurrection word in their evening press statements; just now Tom Cotton and Susan Collins. Really curious to find out if there's a reason they're using that specific word.

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1 minute ago, Fez said:

Also, seeing more and more congressfolk specifically using the insurrection word in their evening press statements; just now Tom Cotton and Susan Collins. Really curious to find out if there's a reason they're using that specific word.

More palatable than treason? Or sedition?

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11 minutes ago, Mindwalker said:

We still don't know who the deceased woman is, do we? Maybe a staffer at the House?

KUSI, a news station out of San Diego, has identified her as as a San Diego resident:

The woman is Ashli Babbit, a 14-year veteran, who served four tours with the US Air Force, and was a high level security official throughout her time in service.

Her husband says she was a strong supporter of President Trump, and was a great patriot to all who knew her.

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3 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said:

More palatable than treason? Or sedition?

Treason would be helping an enemy we're at war with, so it wouldn't apply to what happened today.

Sedition and insurrection both could, obviously.

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1 minute ago, Fragile Bird said:

More palatable than treason? Or sedition?

Section 3 of the 14th amendment; aka impeachment. Insurrection is the word used. Could be a coincidence of course; but the point is that insurrection isn't exactly a common word in every day language (not like treason, or coup, or mob violence, or what ever).

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No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

 

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General Mattis with just about the bluntest denounciation I've seen, pointedly calling him "Mr. Trump":

 

He should have spoken up much earlier, and arguably should not throw stones when it comes to profiles in cowardice (I think he's an honorable man who found himself accepting dishonorable things, and keeping silent about dishonorable things, out of a misplaced sense of duty)... but he's not holding back now, to say the least.

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