DMC Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Myshkin said: Giving himself a pardon is just daring prosecutors to act, and giving his henchmen pardons strips them of their 5th amendment protections. The latter is not as cut and dry as it would seem. Presidential pardons do not cover state crimes, so one could still conceivably assert their 5th amendment rights as a refusal to testify in the fear they could be prosecuted there. As for the self-pardon, it ultimately is a calculation of whether SCOTUS will uphold it or not. If they do, then it's obviously the most expedient avenue for Trump - it'd effectively be the same as Ford's blanket pardon of Nixon. If they don't, then yeah, it does seem to be an admission that you yourself committed crimes, so maybe not the best idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myshkin Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 minute ago, DMC said: The latter is not as cut and dry as it would seem. Presidential pardons do not cover state crimes, so one could still conceivably assert their 5th amendment rights as a refusal to testify in the fear they could be prosecuted there. As for the self-pardon, it ultimately is a calculation of whether SCOTUS will uphold it or not. If they do, then it's obviously the most expedient avenue for Trump - it'd effectively be the same as Ford's blanket pardon of Nixon. If they don't, then yeah, it does seem to be an admission that you yourself committed crimes, so maybe not the best idea. What I mean is, Dems may not have the spine to go after an outgoing President, but if he pardons himself they pretty much have to go after him in order to establish that presidents are not in effect above the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Myshkin said: Dems may not have the spine to go after an outgoing President, but if he pardons himself they pretty much have to go after him in order to establish that presidents are not in effect above the law. I don't know. It's entirely unclear (to me at least) how motivated Biden/Garland/Dem leadership are to prosecute him. Would a self-pardon make them more motivated to? Well, I think they'd definitely challenge the self-pardon itself, sure. But I don't think that necessarily means it'll make them more motivated to investigate/prosecute him than they were previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 I saw a brief reference in the WaPo or NYT, I think, that D.C. is going on a war footing. There's a huge rush again for guns. He's doubling and tripling down on all of it, and threatening Congress with violence in his usual manner by "I want no violence ...." They shouldn't let him out, they shouldn't let him talk, they should allow him anything because he is deliberately threatening and ordering greater magnitude of violence and outright threatening congress, particularly Pelosi. Pence, you frackin' evil cowardly ambitious to be the nom for 2024 -- you should be in jail too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted January 12, 2021 Author Share Posted January 12, 2021 Remember Lindsey Graham on the Senate floor Wednesday night? Remember, he and Trump have had a helluva ride, but he's done now? He's on the plane with Trump to the Alamo. In other news, the US military is doing background checks on troops being sent to DC. They finally realize they may have a problem, I guess. And in yet other news, CNN reporters are saying they are not hearing Republican reps saying they have any regrets for what they've done, but staffers are, and are quitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, Fragile Bird said: Remember Lindsey Graham on the Senate floor Wednesday night? Remember, he and Trump have had a helluva ride, but he's done now? He's on the plane with Trump to the Alamo. I'm looking into my crystal ball and I'm seeing a future award winning gay porn parody of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 How is she this dumb? https://www.rawstory.com/susan-collins/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Hardly any Dem house members or other officials tweeting today. Strange. Excpt for the Biden-Harris campaign, who tweet about anything but what happened and the ongoing threats. So... they haven't been so far? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IheartIheartTesla Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Yeah all this 'no-fly list' stuff is security theater, nothing more. I understand its supposed to limit your mobility but it really doesnt. The one thing flying does is make you go through security, creates a paper trail, and actually significantly increases your travel time for moderate distances. On the other hand, you could drive from point A to point B in this country without leaving a trace anywhere - borrow a friend's car, pay for cash everywhere etc. Putting people of no-fly zones will just make them do the latter and you have no way of knowing what they are up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Insert Cruz/Pence/McConnell metaphor here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Guy who stole lectern released on bail. https://hillreporter.com/ivanka-trump-desperate-to-salvage-her-political-career-to-attend-joe-bidens-inauguration-90039?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Ivanka Trump has decided that she will attend the inauguration of Joe Biden as the 46th president of the United States on Wednesday, the 20th of January Please tell me she is not welcome... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makk Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Martell Spy said: There's going to be a ton of pardons. Trump will never purposely let any advantage or privilege go, even if it's not monetary. In fact, he's probably working out how to monetize it in his final days. Deutsche Bank joins companies cutting ties with Donald Trump Bank had propped up Trump Organization for years despite being sued by president but acted after Capitol attack https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/12/deutsche-bank-severs-ties-with-donald-trump I like the sound of this. Does it mean they will call in their loans? Fingers crossed this bankrupts him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mindwalker said: Guy who stole lectern released on bail. Now he's wearing a mask. How about that? 1 minute ago, Makk said: I like the sound of this. Does it mean they will call in their loans? Fingers crossed this bankrupts him. Please tell me they hold the notes on Turnberry and Mar-A-Lago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted January 12, 2021 Author Share Posted January 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mindwalker said: Guy who stole lectern released on bail. https://hillreporter.com/ivanka-trump-desperate-to-salvage-her-political-career-to-attend-joe-bidens-inauguration-90039?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Ivanka Trump has decided that she will attend the inauguration of Joe Biden as the 46th president of the United States on Wednesday, the 20th of January Please tell me she is not welcome... 1st - you should see the interview Chris Cuomo did with his lawyers last night. When I get a chance I’ll post it. “He’s not that person you see in that picture, he’s a good guy, a good father, it’s one picture, he went there to be part of history”. 2nd - Ivanka might find herself a very serious target if she goes to the Inauguration. You know, traitor bitch stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, IheartIheartTesla said: Yeah all this 'no-fly list' stuff is security theater, nothing more. Well, just because there are other options doesn't mean you don't try to eliminate one option. This is like saying gun control is just theater because of ballistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimTuesday Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Are the people of Flint going to finally going to some level of justice? Well, they still don't have clean drinking water in some parts of the city, so I wouldn't hold my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fury Resurrected Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 4 hours ago, DMC said: Well, I can't read their minds, but they are definitely gonna do it tomorrow. So if you're gonna do it anyway I think it's pretty damn stupid (and undercutting of the entire point) to wait. I think there’s two reasons for this (I don’t think they’re good enough reasons, personally). They would rather use the 25th because it removes him from office and the responsibility is on Trump appointees, not them. Also, I think they wanna be able to make Pence look like a coward for not responding to calls to invoke 25. Which he does, for not even making a statement about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlines? What Deadlines? Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, DMC said: Well, just because there are other options doesn't mean you don't try to eliminate one option. This is like saying gun control is just theater because of ballistics. It might actually be better to allow them to fly, as it makes it easier to track their movements. For example, A van rented in one persons name could have anyone in it. Also paying cash at a gas station while wearing a mask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 4 hours ago, DMC said: House GOP Won't Whip Votes Against Impeachment: When Liz fucking Cheney has to be the voice of reason for the House GOP you know something has gone horribly wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 https://www.politicalflare.com/2021/01/the-my-pillow-guy-says-dont-worry-trump-will-stay-president-a-lot-of-evidence-will-come-out-this-week/ The ‘My Pillow Guy’ Says Don’t Worry, Trump Will Stay President, ‘A Lot of Evidence Will Come Out This Week’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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