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6 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

As a hospital employee, albeit on the business side, I am now able to get the vaccine and get it pretty quickly. But I don't even know if all the frontline workers have gotten it. My inclination is to wait a bit and let those that are more in need go first, given I'm a healthy 32 year old, though I doubt I'll wait too long considering some of the reporting I've seen.

We prioritized ED, then spread to other frontline, and just this week corporate. I imagine most hospitals are doing something similar. If they're offering it to you, frontline should have the option as well, so odds are you're not taking a chance for the vaccine from anyone. Beyond that, you may be remote or mostly remote, but if there's a possibility you'll have to be onsite anywhere before March, I don't think you would need to feel guilty if you want to get the vaccine.

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8 hours ago, Heartofice said:

Not sure I understand your first point. If that first dose prevents almost all deaths and you can give that first dose to the most vulnerable groups.. ( phase 1 in the UK) then how is that unacceptable?

Because it probably protects them for a short time, say 6 weeks. After that, they'll get the virus, they'll get some antibodies, but not enough antibodies to fully get rid of the virus. And if you have literally millions of people in this situation, you then have evolutionary pressure on the virus, and you end up with some people having mutated virus that actually resists the vaccines. And then we're ALL fucked for 6 more months and tens if not hundreds of thousands of people all over the world die just because the current vaccines are now useless.

As long as we don't have definitive proof this cannot happen with a massively delayed 2nd dose, waiting 3 months to give it to people, specially vulnerable people, is bonkers. Even if it saves a few thousands lives right now, the risk is too big, as far as I'm concerned. So maybe there's no risk, I'm no virus specialist or epidemiologist - but as long as Pfizer or Moderna don't assure us it's not risky and scientists don't guarantee it, that's definitely not something I'd do. And with my mom being over 75, I'm not one to needlessly limit the delivery of a 1st dose, but I would still go with a system where the 2nd dose is kept in store for everyone who gets a 1st jab.

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7 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

As a hospital employee, albeit on the business side, I am now able to get the vaccine and get it pretty quickly. But I don't even know if all the frontline workers have gotten it. My inclination is to wait a bit and let those that are more in need go first, given I'm a healthy 32 year old, though I doubt I'll wait too long considering some of the reporting I've seen.

Take it.  Southwest Airlines boarding theory - get on the plane, put your bag up and sit down.  You got the go ahead.  You are willing. Get the shot in your arm.

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7 minutes ago, Mlle. Zabzie said:

Take it.  Southwest Airlines boarding theory - get on the plane, put your bag up and sit down.  You got the go ahead.  You are willing. Get the shot in your arm.

I agree - being involved with the prioritization/rollout for our system, it’s not a perfect science on who can and will get their shot and there is no great way to gauge demand without people signing up/trusting the system they are using to allocate.  Worst that happens is they overbook on how many shots they have and have to bump you for a clinical person who gets in after you.  The new gov’t direction is basically “use it or lose it”, so making sure their queue is full is the first priority.

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11 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

As a hospital employee, albeit on the business side, I am now able to get the vaccine and get it pretty quickly. But I don't even know if all the frontline workers have gotten it. My inclination is to wait a bit and let those that are more in need go first, given I'm a healthy 32 year old, though I doubt I'll wait too long considering some of the reporting I've seen.

Take it. On top of everything everyone else has said, it will help with the reports of percentage of people who offered that received--people on the fence are looking at those numbers to feel comfortable getting it themselves.

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Lol relax, I am going to get it. Here's a more in-depth explanation of the situation.

4 hours ago, AverageGuy said:

We prioritized ED, then spread to other frontline, and just this week corporate. I imagine most hospitals are doing something similar. If they're offering it to you, frontline should have the option as well, so odds are you're not taking a chance for the vaccine from anyone. Beyond that, you may be remote or mostly remote, but if there's a possibility you'll have to be onsite anywhere before March, I don't think you would need to feel guilty if you want to get the vaccine.

Yeah, I'm on the corporate side. And yes I am on site, but more than 75% of the staff in my department are at home. If I really wanted to I could probably be too, but it would be a logistical nightmare in a lot of ways. My reasoning for not wanting to rush to sign up is because of the way the email was worded. Our facility hosts a lot of social workers and some RNs who do in-home wellness checks, and the way the message was conveyed suggested they have not received the vaccine yet either. I had asked a few I am chummy with not that long ago and as of then they hadn't. They really need it more than me given their serious risk of exposure. Vaccination isn't mandated, but anyone who wants it should get their first shot really quickly, so my thought is let them go first and get mine in a week or two if I understanding things correctly (I really hate the poor communication, especially given my backgrounds in psych and poli sci. Write a fucking clear email for once in your life, moron director of the department). 

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6 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Lol relax, I am going to get it. Here's a more in-depth explanation of the situation.

Yeah, I'm on the corporate side. And yes I am on site, but more than 75% of the staff in my department are at home. If I really wanted to I could probably be too, but it would be a logistical nightmare in a lot of ways. My reasoning for not wanting to rush to sign up is because of the way the email was worded. Our facility hosts a lot of social workers and some RNs who do in-home wellness checks, and the way the message was conveyed suggested they have not received the vaccine yet either. I had asked a few I am chummy with not that long ago and as of then they hadn't. They really need it more than me given their serious risk of exposure. Vaccination isn't mandated, but anyone who wants it should get their first shot really quickly, so my thought is let them go first and get mine in a week or two if I understanding things correctly (I really hate the poor communication, especially given my backgrounds in psych and poli sci. Write a fucking clear email for once in your life, moron director of the department). 

I’d still say sign up. Having a big list of ready to go people is going to prevent wasting doses because after it’s out of the deep freeze they have six hours to distribute all of it and any leftovers must be dumped. Having people like you who may have more flexible availability to prevent waste still helps. If everyone else is working from home your office can certainly spare you for a last minute half hour run down to the injection rooms, where that is very likely less true for the more client adjacent workers (and they may need to stagger those so they don’t have mass staff shortages from side effects). Sign up now and get it whenever they say.

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JeezusFchrist we can put back up boarders on flights, yet we cant organize a backup system of people to take the vaccine so none is wasted.

That's unacceptable. It's as simple as having a few more people with the understanding that they may have to come back if there's no opportunity for their shot that day. Having to dump unused vaccine is inexcusable.

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Yeah, there's way too much bureaucracy and micromanagement in the vaccination process. The news about doses sitting in freezers or spoiling while the virus rampages unchecked and kills people raises my blood pressure.

I'm starting to wonder if a free-for-all vaccination with a waiting list, with no absolutely no criteria or restrictions on applying, might have been the lesser of two evils.

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27 minutes ago, Gorn said:

Yeah, there's way too much bureaucracy and micromanagement in the vaccination process. The news about doses sitting in freezers or spoiling while the virus rampages unchecked and kills people raises my blood pressure.

I'm starting to wonder if a free-for-all vaccination with a waiting list, with no absolutely no criteria or restrictions on applying, might have been the lesser of two evils.

So, nobody ever thought in making a priority list in advance to a completely predictable event? 

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32 minutes ago, Gorn said:

Yeah, there's way too much bureaucracy and micromanagement in the vaccination process. The news about doses sitting in freezers or spoiling while the virus rampages unchecked and kills people raises my blood pressure.

I'm starting to wonder if a free-for-all vaccination with a waiting list, with no absolutely no criteria or restrictions on applying, might have been the lesser of two evils.

Did you see the images in FL when they tried that? Waste was always a given, and having a free for all is insane. That's why I pointed out last week that it was a terrible idea to get as many people as possible the first shot and deal with the logistics of the second one later.

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11 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

 Write a fucking clear email for once in your life, moron director of the department). 

Why is that actually? Every time that management needs to communicate something of import, they do it in the most convoluted way possible (save a handful of exceptions, typically prohibitions). In the end you communicate with your colleagues trying to understand whatever the new policy is and agreeing in something informal, which nobody takes responsibility for. Maybe that's the objective?

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13 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Did you see the images in FL when they tried that? Waste was always a given, and having a free for all is insane. That's why I pointed out last week that it was a terrible idea to get as many people as possible the first shot and deal with the logistics of the second one later.

It's 2021, not 1921. People don't have to stand in a physical line.

You download an app, press the big "I want a vaccine" button, and write your name and address. When a dose for your area becomes available for your place in "line", someone at the other end sends you a notification saying "Go to address XYZ at 2:15pm on Tuesday to get a vaccine". If 2:15pm on Tuesday doesn't suit you, you press "Postpone" and are moved down the line. Shit, I could probably code that. Make some phone lines available for people who don't use apps, beef up the admin/support teams, and you're set.

And if a healthy 18 year old gets a vaccine ahead of an 85 year old with a chronic disease, that's still one less potential vector of transmission, and less potential burden on the health system.

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19 minutes ago, Gorn said:

It's 2021, not 1921. People don't have to stand in a physical line.

You download an app, press the big "I want a vaccine" button, and write your name and address. When a dose for your area becomes available for your place in "line", someone at the other end sends you a notification saying "Go to address XYZ at 2:15pm on Tuesday to get a vaccine". If 2:15pm on Tuesday doesn't suit you, you press "Postpone" and are moved down the line. Shit, I could probably code that. Make some phone lines available for people who don't use apps, beef up the admin/support teams, and you're set.

And if a healthy 18 year old gets a vaccine ahead of an 85 year old with a chronic disease, that's still one less potential vector of transmission, and less potential burden on the health system.

The way the Georgia system is working is County by County.

In Cobb, they open it up one week at a time. You are only supposed to sign up if you are in group 1A+ which includes over 65 years old. However, the system doesn’t prevent you from looking at it if you’re not in that group, so I took a peek.

it’s a very simple “here is the vaccination location” (which is the same site as the County covid testing location) and asks you to choose a 5-minute time slot and input your name and address.

I don’t know how they are checking to see if people actually are in group 1A+, and I didn’t want to accidentally make an appointment, so I didn’t fill out the info to see if there was another screen after the selection of appointment time + name/address. I’ll let you know, once they get to 1B :)

ETA - there is a phone system, too, for those who are not comfortable online.

 

Edited by Chataya de Fleury

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12 minutes ago, Gorn said:

Like I said, the process can be managed in such a way that no-one needs to wait in any physical lines. Anyone who forces people to do so has failed at their job.

And yet that's what's specifically happening. Theoretically there are obvious ways to streamline the process, but the application isn't going nearly as well and it will be like that for some time. Don't kid yourself.

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59 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Truly, developed countries should stop lecturing developing ones. IMMEDIATELY. It has become clear for me, that the only difference is just money and more often than not, is used in more unwise ways.

These images are at the same level or worse than the events at the Capitol.

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