Jaenara Belarys Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 On 2/14/2021 at 10:52 AM, CamiloRP said: Aerys, Viserys, Daemon, I know which Aerys and which Viserys you're referring to, but what Daemon are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamiloRP Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 6 hours ago, Jaenara Belarys said: I know which Aerys and which Viserys you're referring to, but what Daemon are you referring to? The Rogue Prince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endymion I Targaryen Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 On 2/16/2021 at 11:13 PM, Lord Varys said: Yes, the idea there was that this could, perhaps, help explain why the hell Daenaera Velaryon is the kind of 'super Valyrian' that she apparently is. But the idea that the Targaryen blood would still run strong in the Hartes - or in whatever petty house that daughter of Gaemon's married into - after 200 years isn't all that likely. And one would not have to imagine that it was the Hartes back then, just that Hazel Harte is somehow descended from that petty lord and his Targaryen lady. A Velaryon or a Celtigar lady can marry into house Harte later on, so they can have some more Valyrian blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Varys Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Endymion I Targaryen said: A Velaryon or a Celtigar lady can marry into house Harte later on, so they can have some more Valyrian blood. Of course, but that kind of thing would have happened to many a house in the Narrow Sea/Crownlands region ... and still, a girl with as strong Valyrian features as Daenaera Velaryon is very rare. And we cannot really expect that Vaemond Velaryon and his father did get that prestigious brides as merely younger sons and grandsons of the heir of Driftmark. But, yes, if one wanted to make the Daenaera thing make sense then we would go with the assumption that Hartes got some more Valyrian blood than just from that daughter of Lord Gaemon (if we assume that this was the case). And with the Velaryons in general I'd also go with the assumption that Alarra Massey had Valyrian ancestors via a Targaryen, Velaryon, or Celtigar marrying into the house 1-2 generations earlier as well as that they liked to marry their cousins, especially when the family branched out in the 1st century. The first Daemon, Aethan, and the second Daemon all had multiple sons and daughters, meaning that Corlys' father could have married a Velaryon cousin, just as his brothers could have. This kind of thing could also explain why the Velaryons still look Valyrian during the main series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endymion I Targaryen Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Lord Varys said: Of course, but that kind of thing would have happened to many a house in the Narrow Sea/Crownlands region ... and still, a girl with as strong Valyrian features as Daenaera Velaryon is very rare. And we cannot really expect that Vaemond Velaryon and his father did get that prestigious brides as merely younger sons and grandsons of the heir of Driftmark. But, yes, if one wanted to make the Daenaera thing make sense then we would go with the assumption that Hartes got some more Valyrian blood than just from that daughter of Lord Gaemon (if we assume that this was the case). And with the Velaryons in general I'd also go with the assumption that Alarra Massey had Valyrian ancestors via a Targaryen, Velaryon, or Celtigar marrying into the house 1-2 generations earlier as well as that they liked to marry their cousins, especially when the family branched out in the 1st century. The first Daemon, Aethan, and the second Daemon all had multiple sons and daughters, meaning that Corlys' father could have married a Velaryon cousin, just as his brothers could have. This kind of thing could also explain why the Velaryons still look Valyrian during the main series. Add to this that many Crownland houses who trade much with Free Cities due to proximity can intermarry with Valyrian houses of these places. I will not be surprised if Daenaera had a Lyseni grandmother or great-grandmother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaenara Belarys Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Or Volantene, because the Volantenes are noted to have Valyrian features as well. On 3/16/2021 at 4:08 PM, CamiloRP said: The Rogue Prince. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRANDON GREYSTARK Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 One land , one king . Even with dragons the Targaryens could not hope to hold all of Essos . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucia Targaryen Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 This was the biggest disappointment I had when Fire and Blood was released. At the very least I wanted a full family tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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