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24 minutes ago, Mr Gordo said:

This should really surprise nobody though.

Nope.

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Would anyone who isn't one of those violent scum really want to participate in a con (DiscCon) with those people and publisher who poo poos advocates of violence and even murder?

 

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Kinda surprised no one is talking about this here. It's all anyone is talking about right now the SFF sphere, at least from where I'm sitting.

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1 hour ago, Mr Gordo said:

Kinda surprised no one is talking about this here.

It's late in the US and parts of the EU - the primary locations of a considerable number of posters, if I'm not mistaken. Give it five to ten hours, at which point I'm sure responses will slowly start appearing.

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I feel like it's more that this is not a surprise to anyone on this board, nor are you likely to find people here standing up to defend Baen.

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Yeah, Baen Books has a long history of far-ish, right-wing leanings but has also spent a lot of time publishing left-wing authors like Eric Flint, Mercedes Lackey and, of course, their superstar author Lois McMaster Bujold. However, the feeling more recently is that these authors may have been used as a "liberal shield" so Baen can protest they're a more tolerant and varied publisher than they perhaps instinctively are.

Eric Flint has come out to defend Baen, which is odd given his far-left, even socialist credentials. Then again the 1632 series sells shedloads through Baen and he may not be wanting to rock the sales boat too much.

This does seem to be getting a lot more traction in the US SFFsphere than outside it, where the Baen authors (even Bujold) are almost utterly unknown.

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Also a lot of the US is entirely consumed by attempting to survive the Polar Vortex storm(s) and loss of power, etc.  In TX, for instance, this means no power, thus no heat, and not even water for a lot of people.

Because this condition, along with the slow-moving massive front, distribution of supply for all kinds essentials is disrupted, including food.

Not to mention trying to find vaccinations.

But the sf/f world is certainly talking about this, you bet!  All over the innertubz.

 

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28 minutes ago, Zorral said:

Also a lot of the US is entirely consumed by attempting to survive the Polar Vortex storm(s) and loss of power, etc.  In TX, for instance, this means no power, thus no heat, and not even water for a lot of people.

Because this condition, along with the slow-moving massive front, distribution of supply for all kinds essentials is disrupted, including food.

Not to mention trying to find vaccinations.

But the sf/f world is certainly talking about this, you bet!  All over the innertubz.

I mean, that's not really something for the SFF world to deal with, that's for the state authorities, the governor and the power company. There's certainly plenty of discussion going on in the SFF world about it, the ramifications for climate change, changes in how state infrastructure should be handled etc, but discussion that issue doesn't mean other issues cannot be discussed at the same time.

Disappointingly, some people are using this to dredge up discussions and flame wars over Baen Books dating back 20+ years which don't have much to do with the current situation (there seems to be a general acceptance that Jim Baen-helmed Baen Books and post-Baen Baen are two somewhat different entities).

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What I was intending to say is that a lot of the sf/f world of the US is affected by the weather disasters, and may not even have access to the internet to talk about Baen.  But those who do, are talking about it.

Not that I am expecting sf/f needs to do something about the weather disasters.  Just that people in sf/f are also affected like everyone else.

Though I expect that some sf/f self-identified are working on getting at extreme risk people to heat shelters, getting food and water distributed and so on.

Individuals must.  Because in Texas, the government of Texas just dumped the problem, says it's not their problem, stop asking for free handouts from us (while demanding everything come to them from D.C., which government they also are working to secede from), and Ted Cruz flew to Cancún for a family vacation.

 

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Yeah. Heh, I guess outside the Us Baen is probably uh, not so popular.

Abd yeah weather and such.

Eric Flint’s response is, as the kids say, super cringe. I guess there are stupid assholes on the left too. Yay.

What’s really concerning right now is how the threats to Sanford keep escalating to the point he temporarily shut his Twitter done and is in contact with authorities. That’s fucked up. 
 

Oh and I guess DisCon is making an announcement about things soonish.

11 hours ago, mormont said:

I feel like it's more that this is not a surprise to anyone on this board, nor are you likely to find people here standing up to defend Baen.

True, I just thought there might be more discussion about it considering how serious it’s gotten. 

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I hadn't realised there was a DisCon angle on this, but having now seen some tweets from Malka Older I am aware.

 

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11 hours ago, Werthead said:

This does seem to be getting a lot more traction in the US SFFsphere than outside it, where the Baen authors (even Bujold) are almost utterly unknown.

Am inclined to agree with this statement. I live outside the US, and most of the authors listed are unfamiliar to me, with the exception of Bujold. 

This seems like an intramerican issue to me. 

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21 minutes ago, IlyaP said:

Am inclined to agree with this statement. I live outside the US, and most of the authors listed are unfamiliar to me, with the exception of Bujold. 

This seems like an intramerican issue to me. 

I know a few people in the UK publishing biz talked about some sort of curse at work, as almost every Baen series that people have tried to publish in the UK has bombed. Vorkosigan got no traction, but Bujold's non-Baen-published fantasy work has done okay. Honor Harrington got a few books published here, then sales trickled out and nothing more, whilst Safehold (published by Tor) has done reasonable business. Drake had a bit of a profile here for a while but trickled off years ago, and the likes of Ringo and Flint are virtual unknowns in UK circles.

The US-myopic nature of the thing can also be seen in Flint's comments: Weber is one of the biggest-selling living space opera author in the US not working in licenced fiction, but his sales are significantly behind the likes of Chris Bunch/Allan Cole (the Sten series was inexplicably colossal back in the day), Frank Herbert, Robert Heinlein and Isaac Asimov (Dune you can argue about being space opera but Foundation you can't). In licenced fiction, Timothy Zahn has comfortably outsold him at least 2:1. Larry Niven has also sold waaaaay more books than Weber, and the majority of his work is space opera, and Card has sold more still, but of course you can argue if Ender is space opera or not.

It also looks like Peter F. Hamilton, Dan Abnett and Alastair Reynolds' sales put them in the same wheelhouse as Weber on an international scale. James SA Corey is still a fair bit behind though, perhaps surprisingly.

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28 minutes ago, Werthead said:

I know a few people in the UK publishing biz talked about some sort of curse at work, as almost every Baen series that people have tried to publish in the UK has bombed. Vorkosigan got no traction, but Bujold's non-Baen-published fantasy work has done okay. Honor Harrington got a few books published here, then sales trickled out and nothing more, whilst Safehold (published by Tor) has done reasonable business. Drake had a bit of a profile here for a while but trickled off years ago, and the likes of Ringo and Flint are virtual unknowns in UK circles.

Harrington and Vorkosigan have a bit of traction here in Australia, but among a very niche set of readers. I can count on one hand the number of friends who read those books. And the big fantasy bookstore in Sydney, Galaxy Books, does stock some Baen books, but how much or how many, I couldn't tell you at the moment. 

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Baen Books are like Nascar. Something that's big and popular in the USA, but virtually unknown or followed outside of their borders. Most of their authors are not available abroad, in English or in translations. I'm actually shocked that some copies are available in Oz!

Given how widespread the membership of these forums is, it's not that hard to understand that this story isn't getting as much traction here on Westeros. Quite a few people here may never have heard of Baen Books (other than for their awful covers) and its authors, let alone its online community.

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This just kind of baffled me at first, while I probably own dozens and dozens of Baen books (a quick scan of my Goodreads, shows such authors as Bujold, David Drake, Elizabeth Moon, Jerry Pournelle, S.M. Stirling, David Weber, and Vernor Vinge and I'm sure there are more), it never occurred to me to visit their web site or look for and read their forums.  But as I've obviously have found my own odd places online to lurk and occasionally post I guess these odd communities can crop up anywhere, originally drawn by one thing, but then finding other ideas to bond over and grow closer.

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1 hour ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

From what I've read, and God knows it's only a fraction of what's out there, it appears that the most vocal faction wanted just that. That this whole shit show was meant to remove Weisskopf as guest of honor. 

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