Lilac & Gooseberries Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 27 minutes ago, Skahaz mo Kandaq said: This is my ninth year on this forum. I have seen this theory before. Here and on a show called game of thrones academy. I agree. Craster and the Stark are the same blood. They are kin. The Others are not going to be pleased if Mellissandre burns Craster's son. and @The Lord of the Crossing Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davjos Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 I agree a certain level of scepticism is in place, especially regarding a theory with so little concrete textual support, but the tone of this thread is getting a bit unnecessarily antagonistic. We all love talking about these books, just try to keep it in good spirits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad King Bolton Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 My impression of Craster and his sacrifices was that he had something in his blood that made him valuable and the blood pushed throughout the story was Targaryen blood (though specifically King's blood). The Baratheons have Targaryen blood, so it's not proven that just being a king makes you special but it could. Since Mel doesn't actually burn Mance though and could have used a king's blood sacrifice, it feels like it's more specific to Targaryen (or Valyrian) blood. SO, if Craster's heritage is important to why his babies are accepted as sacrifices but he Others, wouldn't it seem more likely that he has Targaryen blood? I know Oakenfist (and others in the past) have mentioned Blood Raven as a possible father of Craster, but it could have been some other Targ bastard, castaway or otherwise unmentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondo Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Mad King Bolton said: My impression of Craster and his sacrifices was that he had something in his blood that made him valuable and the blood pushed throughout the story was Targaryen blood (though specifically King's blood). The Baratheons have Targaryen blood, so it's not proven that just being a king makes you special but it could. Since Mel doesn't actually burn Mance though and could have used a king's blood sacrifice, it feels like it's more specific to Targaryen (or Valyrian) blood. SO, if Craster's heritage is important to why his babies are accepted as sacrifices but he Others, wouldn't it seem more likely that he has Targaryen blood? I know Oakenfist (and others in the past) have mentioned Blood Raven as a possible father of Craster, but it could have been some other Targ bastard, castaway or otherwise unmentioned. None of Craster's people had the Targaryen look. A few of them would have had to show some of the Targaryen features, like purple eyes with silver-blonde hair. Besides, the Targaryen genes are a recent arrival to Westeros. They would not have compatibility with something as ancient as the White walkers. Craster is more likely than not, a Stark. This Night's Queen saw a man on the wall who had a ridiculously long face and recognized him for a Stark. Like his chin was touching the ground long. The Stark look. She knew history and knew they were genetically connected. Imagine the ranks of the WW diminished after the long night had passed. Their males no longer able to mate. So she saw a man who could get her pregnant and mated with him. The Starks being Starks, they left out a lot of important details to keep their reputation. Some of the children from this icey couple must have survived and were taken to Winterfell. Today's Starks carry the genetic material of the NQ. There have been more than a few Starks to serve on the wall since. One of the Stark men fathered Craster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egged Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, Rondo said: None of Craster's people had the Targaryen look. A few of them would have had to show some of the Targaryen features, like purple eyes with silver-blonde hair. Besides, the Targaryen genes are a recent arrival to Westeros. They would not have compatibility with something as ancient as the White walkers. Craster is more likely than not, a Stark. This Night's Queen saw a man on the wall who had a ridiculously long face and recognized him for a Stark. Like his chin was touching the ground long. The Stark look. She knew history and knew they were genetically connected. Imagine the ranks of the WW diminished after the long night had passed. Their males no longer able to mate. So she saw a man who could get her pregnant and mated with him. The Starks being Starks, they left out a lot of important details to keep their reputation. Some of the children from this icey couple must have survived and were taken to Winterfell. Today's Starks carry the genetic material of the NQ. There have been more than a few Starks to serve on the wall since. One of the Stark men fathered Craster. Now that there are no Starks in Winterfell a permanent snow blizzard sits on it, did you notice? As if it is becoming hospitable to the Others. There must always be a Stark in Winterfell? If not, Winter is coming? Is it becoming inhospitable to prevent anyone but the Starks to live there, are the Others coming like they’re the first responders? Are the Others coming to take Winterfell now that the Starks are gone to reclaim it for themselves? Why is there a cave system where humans could likely still live in and fish and survive if they learned to love darkness like the CotF or like Bloodraven said? A cave system much like the one where Bloodraven is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Stark Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, Rondo said: None of Craster's people had the Targaryen look. A few of them would have had to show some of the Targaryen features, like purple eyes with silver-blonde hair. Besides, the Targaryen genes are a recent arrival to Westeros. They would not have compatibility with something as ancient as the White walkers. Craster is more likely than not, a Stark. This Night's Queen saw a man on the wall who had a ridiculously long face and recognized him for a Stark. Like his chin was touching the ground long. The Stark look. She knew history and knew they were genetically connected. Imagine the ranks of the WW diminished after the long night had passed. Their males no longer able to mate. So she saw a man who could get her pregnant and mated with him. The Starks being Starks, they left out a lot of important details to keep their reputation. Some of the children from this icey couple must have survived and were taken to Winterfell. Today's Starks carry the genetic material of the NQ. There have been more than a few Starks to serve on the wall since. One of the Stark men fathered Craster. Nice fanfic, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondo Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Just now, Egged said: Now that there are no Starks in Winterfell a permanent snow blizzard sits on it, did you notice? As if it is becoming hospitable to the Others. There must always be a Stark in Winterfell? If not, Winter is coming? The old saying may mean something different. Like a Stark is always in Winterfell. The frozen corpses of the ancient kings of winter are there as if waiting for something. Some of these men carry the dna of the white walkers. They wait like faithful servants for the others to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 34 minutes ago, Rondo said: The frozen corpses of the ancient kings of winter are there as if waiting for something. Some of these men carry the dna of the white walkers. They wait like faithful servants for the others to return. Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egged Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: Prove it. Why is there a permanent snow storm on Winterfell that isn't moving away now that the Starks are no longer there? Like, you'd think the blizzard would happen further north if anywhere. It's on Winterfell, just staying there, to the point where it's unlivable. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Egged said: Why is there a permanent snow storm on Winterfell that isn't moving away now that the Starks are no longer there? Like, you'd think the blizzard would happen further north if anywhere. It's on Winterfell, just staying there, to the point where it's unlivable. Why? The Storm is happening across half the North, from the Wall up to the Rills. In fact, it's epicenter isn't even Winterfell, but rather the Wolfswood. Winter storms are nothing unusual, the only thing that can maybe be considered unusual is the fact that the Wall is seemingly unaffected. But no, snow storms aren't proof that the Stark Kings are in cahoots with the Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Stark Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, Egged said: Why is there a permanent snow storm on Winterfell that isn't moving away now that the Starks are no longer there? Like, you'd think the blizzard would happen further north if anywhere. It's on Winterfell, just staying there, to the point where it's unlivable. Why? It snows in winter, you know. None of the northerners in and near Winterfell are even fazed by it. Weather is not a side effect of the Starks not being in Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad King Bolton Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 8 hours ago, Rondo said: None of Craster's people had the Targaryen look. A few of them would have had to show some of the Targaryen features, like purple eyes with silver-blonde hair. Besides, the Targaryen genes are a recent arrival to Westeros. They would not have compatibility with something as ancient as the White walkers. Craster is more likely than not, a Stark. This Night's Queen saw a man on the wall who had a ridiculously long face and recognized him for a Stark. Like his chin was touching the ground long. The Stark look. She knew history and knew they were genetically connected. Imagine the ranks of the WW diminished after the long night had passed. Their males no longer able to mate. So she saw a man who could get her pregnant and mated with him. The Starks being Starks, they left out a lot of important details to keep their reputation. Some of the children from this icey couple must have survived and were taken to Winterfell. Today's Starks carry the genetic material of the NQ. There have been more than a few Starks to serve on the wall since. One of the Stark men fathered Craster. It's true that Martin has used appearance description many times, but it's not in everyone. True that some of Crasters daughters would likely have had a Valyrian look, but you don't get much description of that and you don't know who Craster's mother was. For all we know she had stronger darker genes which often take over (the entire "the seed is strong' notion). then it gets watered down with every generation of crasters children. Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion, but it IS an opinion. My opinion is that the magical blood theory connects to Targaryens and you're right that the Others predate the Valyrians of course, but not Craster. I don't necessarily say that Crasters babies become new Others, that's unproven, we just know that the Others take them and that could be to use their blood for some other purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamiloRP Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 8 hours ago, Rondo said: None of Craster's people had the Targaryen look. A few of them would have had to show some of the Targaryen features, like purple eyes with silver-blonde hair. None of Craster's people had the Stark look. A few of them would have had to show some of the Stark features, like grey eyes or long faces. Quote Besides, the Targaryen genes are a recent arrival to Westeros. They would not have compatibility with something as ancient as the White walkers. The Others existed before the Night's King, so this makes no sense. Quote Craster is more likely than not, a Stark. Then you should be able to bring evidence to support that claim. Quote This Night's Queen saw a man on the wall who had a ridiculously long face and recognized him for a Stark. It was the Night's King who saw her, not the other way around, this has been stated before. It's the same thing I said in the other part, you're not even interested in reading other people's comments if they don't agree with you,you just come here, post something like it's the one and only truth, provide no evidence, and then vanish, ignoring anyone who disagrees with you. The Stark's don't have ridiculously long faces, they have long faces. We have no reason to think the NW could recognize the Stark. And, again, in the story it was him.who went after her. Quote Like his chin was touching the ground long. The Stark look. Oh God. Quote She knew history and knew they were genetically connected. Imagine the ranks of the WW diminished after the long night had passed. Their males no longer able to mate. So she saw a man who could get her pregnant and mated with him. The Starks being Starks, they left out a lot of important details to keep their reputation. Some of the children from this icey couple must have survived and were taken to Winterfell. Today's Starks carry the genetic material of the NQ. There have been more than a few Starks to serve on the wall since. One of the Stark men fathered Craster. There's no evidence for any of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad King Bolton Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 8 hours ago, Egged said: Now that there are no Starks in Winterfell a permanent snow blizzard sits on it, did you notice? As if it is becoming hospitable to the Others. There must always be a Stark in Winterfell? If not, Winter is coming? Is it becoming inhospitable to prevent anyone but the Starks to live there, are the Others coming like they’re the first responders? Are the Others coming to take Winterfell now that the Starks are gone to reclaim it for themselves? Why is there a cave system where humans could likely still live in and fish and survive if they learned to love darkness like the CotF or like Bloodraven said? A cave system much like the one where Bloodraven is? Stark or not Stark in Winterfell, Others or other magical creatures aren't passing the wall as long as it's standing. My guess is there are blizzards in Winterfell (and throughout the North) because it's winter and that's how it rolls up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 45 minutes ago, CamiloRP said: The Others existed before the Night's King, so this makes no sense. But the fanfiction says otherwise, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracul's Daughter Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 46 minutes ago, CamiloRP said: Quote Like his chin was touching the ground long. The Stark look. Oh God. Maybe he was just very impressed by something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondo Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 On 2/25/2021 at 6:09 AM, The Lord of the Crossing said: Craster's bloodline is special because the Others accepted his boys. He has a good relationship with the Others because he gives them his boys. A lot of wildlings would glady do that. There would be no need for the wildlings to flee from the white walkers if they can keep the Others happy with the gift of an occasional baby boy. So the baby's DNA is clearly important. The Others do not want just any baby. It has to be a boy and it has to come from Craster. The Night's King was a Stark. The female Other sought him out. Why him in particular? Because of his bloodline. If the first white walkers were created from Stark stock, it would help explain why. Only a Stark can be converted to a white walker. The DNA has to be compatible. The Stark ability to enter and control animals is also important because it gives the Others the tool they need to control their wights. Craster is a Stark. Gilly Stark is traveling with Marwyn the maester to Essos. The Stark's bloodline will survive even if they get wiped out by the Lannisters back home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, Rondo said: Gilly Stark is traveling with Marwyn the maester to Essos. The Stark's bloodline will survive even if they get wiped out by the Lannisters back home. Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rondo Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said: Prove it. Ah, I see. You don't believe the Op's theory. Well, I do. The evidence is not proof but they do point towards them sharing the same family. George Martin is not going to give proof. What he will do is give clues. The clues are there. NK was a Stark. The ice queen favored and mated with him. The fact they were able to do this was amazing. There is a blood connection. Why you might ask was the ice queen desperate for this man? I am going to take a wild guess. Azor Ahai removed the testicles of the Others to keep them from reproducing. That was their punishment after the last great war. It doesn't matter how. They became sterile. So why not sleep with the wildling men on the north side of the wall? Why this particular man? Because of his blood. The ice queen is not immortal. She had to die. If she can reproduce with a Stark and the Others are now changing Craster's sons, it is a clue which point to their compatible biology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alyn Oakenfist Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Rondo said: Azor Ahai removed the testicles of the Others to keep them from reproducing. I was going to comment, but... Like how do you even make this shit up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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