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Craster's bloodline is special because the Others accepted his boys.  He has a good relationship with the Others because he gives them his boys.  A lot of wildlings would glady do that.  There would be no need for the wildlings to flee from the white walkers if they can keep the Others happy with the gift of an occasional baby boy.  So the baby's DNA is clearly important.  The Others do not want just any baby.  It has to be a boy and it has to come from Craster. 

The Night's King was a Stark.  The female Other sought him out.  Why him in particular?  Because of his bloodline.  If the first white walkers were created from Stark stock, it would help explain why.  Only a Stark can be converted to a white walker.  The DNA has to be compatible.  The Stark ability to enter and control animals is also important because it gives the Others the tool they need to control their wights.  Craster is a Stark. 

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1 hour ago, The Lord of the Crossing said:

 A lot of wildlings would glady do that. 

I really doubt it. Do you have any textual support? The freefolk think Craster is a monster for giving his children to the Others.

 

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There would be no need for the wildlings to flee from the white walkers if they can keep the Others happy with the gift of an occasional baby boy.  So the baby's DNA is clearly important.  The Others do not want just any baby.  It has to be a boy and it has to come from Craster. 

Except that there's a lot of evidence that the Night's Watch used to sacrifice babies to the Others, thise babies couldn't be only Starks.

 

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The Night's King was a Stark. 

Or a Bolton, or a Magnar of Skagos, an Umber, maybe a Flint, a Norrey, or a Woodfoot.

 

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 The female Other sought him out. 

It was him who chased her and caught her, not the other way around.

 

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Why him in particular?  Because of his bloodline. 

Or because he was the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch? Or maybe he was hot. Or maybe he sought her out, as the story states.

 

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If the first white walkers were created from Stark stock, it would help explain why. 

It wouldn't and we have no reason to think so.

 

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Only a Stark can be converted to a white walker. 

Evidence?

 

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The DNA has to be compatible. 

Why do you think that? That would mean either there are like five Other's tops, meaning they are really easy to defeat, or that the others don't age, meaning they would be of such a different mindset they'd have no reason to make more Others.

 

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Craster is a Stark.

Te problem with this, besides all the other problems I mentioned, is that there'd be no way for us to find out, except for Bran, but using Bran as a tool to give exposition about such minor things would be boring and bad writing.

 

The only person in the Wall we know about around Craster's birth is Bloodraven, and tho it's also unlikely, based on that alone there's a better reason to think he's Craster's father instead of a random unmentioned Stark.

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2 hours ago, CamiloRP said:

I really doubt it. Do you have any textual support? The freefolk think Craster is a monster for giving his children to the Others.

Sorry for sounding rude but how could you not know that wanting to live free and not under valARYANs equals with baby sacrifice? Its all in the text.

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21 minutes ago, Lilac & Gooseberries said:

Sorry for sounding rude but how could you not know that wanting to live free and not under valARYANs equals with baby sacrifice? Its all in the text.

Also, all those who do are in collusion with both the Others, and the even greater evil, the Starks! It's all right there in the text, plain for all the world to see.

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5 hours ago, The Lord of the Crossing said:

Craster's bloodline is special because the Others accepted his boys.  He has a good relationship with the Others because he gives them his boys.  A lot of wildlings would glady do that.  There would be no need for the wildlings to flee from the white walkers if they can keep the Others happy with the gift of an occasional baby boy.  So the baby's DNA is clearly important.  The Others do not want just any baby.  It has to be a boy and it has to come from Craster. 

The Night's King was a Stark.  The female Other sought him out.  Why him in particular?  Because of his bloodline.  If the first white walkers were created from Stark stock, it would help explain why.  Only a Stark can be converted to a white walker.  The DNA has to be compatible.  The Stark ability to enter and control animals is also important because it gives the Others the tool they need to control their wights.  Craster is a Stark. 

The Starks have magic and its source is the corpse queen. But maybe the queen got something in return from the lord commander, who happened to be a Stark. The inclusion of Stark genes gave the walkers their talent for controlling wights.   
Craster was not sacrificing his sons.  He was giving them up for adoption. The Others were converting them into their own kind.  

 

 

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5 hours ago, The Lord of the Crossing said:

Craster's bloodline is special because the Others accepted his boys.  He has a good relationship with the Others because he gives them his boys.  A lot of wildlings would glady do that.  There would be no need for the wildlings to flee from the white walkers if they can keep the Others happy with the gift of an occasional baby boy.  So the baby's DNA is clearly important.  The Others do not want just any baby.  It has to be a boy and it has to come from Craster. 

The Night's King was a Stark.  The female Other sought him out.  Why him in particular?  Because of his bloodline.  If the first white walkers were created from Stark stock, it would help explain why.  Only a Stark can be converted to a white walker.  The DNA has to be compatible.  The Stark ability to enter and control animals is also important because it gives the Others the tool they need to control their wights.  Craster is a Stark. 

This theory comes up every once in a while. It's not bad compared to some of the other ideas floating around. But if Craster is a Stark, it's probably a very old lineage. He is described as a powerful man while the Starks tend toward leanness. He has a flat nose, whereas no Stark is described this way to my recollection. Same for the drooping mouth that makes him look cruel.

There is always the possibility that he was fathered by a Stark in the NW, of course. But since his father is never mentioned, and Craster doesn't have any particular antipathy toward the watch, this is speculative at best. A quick scan of the Stark tree shows that maybe Errold Stark, b. as late as 226, fourth son of Lord Beren, could have fathered Craster. But there is plenty of Stark blood all throughout the north, and perhaps among the wildlings as well. 

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20 minutes ago, Widowmaker 811 said:

The Starks have magic and its source is the corpse queen. But maybe the queen got something in return from the lord commander, who happened to be a Stark. The inclusion of Stark genes gave the walkers their talent for controlling wights.   

Thing is, your timeline doesn't add up as the Night's Queen Story happened after the Long Night

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2 hours ago, Widowmaker 811 said:

The Starks have magic and its source is the corpse queen.

You don't have any evidence.

 

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But maybe the queen got something in return from the lord commander, who happened to be a Stark.

You don't have any evidence.

 

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The inclusion of Stark genes gave the walkers their talent for controlling wights.   

You don't have any evidence.

 

 

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8 minutes ago, CamiloRP said:

You don't have any evidence.

 

You don't have any evidence.

 

You don't have any evidence.

 

 

It's sorta like poetry, it rhymes.

Though tbf, the Stark haters having no evidence was foreshadowed by previous instances of them spewing Stark hatred with no evidence.

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When I saw the header, I thought it was another ship for Sansa.

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36 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

It's sorta like poetry, it rhymes.

Though tbf, the Stark haters having no evidence was foreshadowed by previous instances of them spewing Stark hatred with no evidence.

I can well believe that there have been Starks who were pretty unpleasant people, as in all Great Houses.

But allies of the Others?  No.

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3 minutes ago, SeanF said:

When I saw the header, I thought it was another ship for Sansa.

Ah yes, the famous Craster and Sansa ship.

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3 minutes ago, SeanF said:

I can well believe that there have been Starks who were pretty unpleasant people, as in all Great Houses.

But allies of the Others?  No.

Definitely. Hard times make hard or strong men, the kind of men who take unpleasant decisions when they have to. People who are called the Hungry Wolf, the Bitter and Ice Eyes are highly likely that they weren’t pleasant.

 

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7 minutes ago, SeanF said:

When I saw the header, I thought it was another ship for Sansa.

Impossible. If anything the ship would have been between Sansa and one of Craster's wives/daughters.

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12 minutes ago, SeanF said:

I can well believe that there have been Starks who were pretty unpleasant people, as in all Great Houses.

But allies of the Others?  No.

No you don't understand. The Starks want to be free and do not recognize the superiority of the valARYAN master race. Even more, they have Jon Snow, who just might be a better Targ claimant than Dany. Obviously they must all be allies of the Great Other for Dany to righteously burn.

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34 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

No you don't understand. The Starks want to be free and do not recognize the superiority of the valARYAN master race. Even more, they have Jon Snow, who just might be a better Targ claimant than Dany. Obviously they must all be allies of the Great Other for Dany to righteously burn.

Not sure what Dany has to with the topic at all but ok.

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1 minute ago, El Guapo said:

Not sure what Dany has to with the topic at all but ok.

Just the fact that Dany most be the one to cleanse the Stark rot in Fire and Blood

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7 minutes ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

Just the fact that Dany most be the one to cleanse the Stark rot in Fire and Blood

if you say so.

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This is my ninth year on this forum.  I have seen this theory before.  Here and on a show called game of thrones academy.  I agree.  Craster and the Stark are the same blood.  They are kin.  

The Others are not going to be pleased if Mellissandre burns Craster's son.  

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23 minutes ago, Skahaz mo Kandaq said:

This is my ninth year on this forum.  I have seen this theory before.  Here and on a show called game of thrones academy.  I agree.  Craster and the Stark are the same blood.  They are kin.  

The Others are not going to be pleased if Mellissandre burns Craster's son.  

Then you should be able to support it and argue against it's many, many holes.

But ofcourse you won't. You won't even reply.

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