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Am I the only person who has never used an illegal drug

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5 hours ago, BigFatCoward said:

I can understand forcing a little can of red bull down if desperate. But people who drink those massive monster cans look demented. 

I only drink energy drinks - or much of any caffeine for that matter - when I'm writing papers.  As for the can size or brand, I'll usually buy the biggest ones of Monster at the grocery store just because it's cheapest.  I put it in a glass and throw a bunch of gin in there anyway.  I've always had a pretty unhealthy lifestyle, but these days that's mostly due to the smoking and drinking.

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My sister works for redbull. She got me loads for when I was doing shifts. Then I stopped and about 6 crates went out of date. Wouldnt touch it other than for a long drive or an odd night duty now. 

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I’m down to about 2 cups of coffee before noon, with maybe a green tea before 3pm if I’m living on the edge.

The worst time I had was a 6 month jag using ephedra back in college, before a baseball players heart exploded from it and it was made illegal.  I got locked into a cycle of drinking late into the night, and then having 2 pills with my coffee to get to class or work and stay awake.  It was basically OTC trucker meth - do not recommend.

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On 3/15/2021 at 6:40 PM, Fury Resurrected said:

It sounds like the straightedge may be right for you, can I interest you in some early hardcore and 2000s pop punk albums?

 

Ooo, I still listen to 2000's music pretty regularly :P. 2000's pop punk sounds like it is/could be good be for me~

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I sowed all my wild oats at a really young age, and I enjoy being straight, not doing drugs/drinking/smoking.  Most of my years doing all that stuff were just sort of immature and stupid, but I also had some very good times.  I don't regret it; it's part of who I am.  But I like me better sober.

I would feel weird joking with my family about any of the above because many of them are alcoholic, or teetotaler/Baptists who have no sense of humor about well, most stuff.  I don't really 'fit' with my family in a lot of ways, but I love them.  But we can't talk about most things of any significance because we disagree on pretty much everything.

I really admire the straightedge lifestyle.  I'm not straightedge myself, but I do share some similarities, and I try to inject my life with the thoughtfulness and deliberateness that I see in their way of living.

And also, @Ser Scot A Ellison, I can't speak for you, but most family conversations I have are just going to be awkward, period.  I'm either going to be biting my tongue or saying something that ticks someone off.  Family is just rough sometimes.

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Never did any illegal drug, never wanted to, though not for lack of access; I've been in enough parties to see pot, actually had a couple of friends who grew some.

I once tried to have a few puffs on a friend's pipe, but that was hopeless and it didn't really interest me to begin with. So no smoking, never intended to even try a cigarette, ever. My mom's smoking was more than enough to me.

As a kid I used to dip a finger in my parents' drink, wine or beer, to taste it. Not covi-friendly obviously. So I had a bit of an idea of what mediocre wine and beer taste like. Never liked that, never was interested in wasting myself. I've probably drank a bit of wine, champagne and stuff a dozen of times or a bit more, but just for major occasion - say a friend's 20th birthday or the death of Reagan -, but even these cases are very rare, a couple of times a decade nowadays, at most, probably less. Yet I've been in a number of parties where most people ended up quite drunk, a few times, really really very badly drunk; it's actually useful to have someone sober in such cases.

Then, I don't even like tea or coffee and never saw the point to energy drinks - if I have to take that kind of things to be effective at work, then fuck off, it's not my problem, it's the job that's got a problem. I stick to strictly regular Coke (not to boost energy or anything, just an acquired taste from a lengthy stay in Mexico, and don't try to get me diet Coke or Pepsi) and chocolate, and that's it.

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Individuals vary though, for some people needing a stimulant to be more alert/focused isn't an indication that they're not finding their work stimulating, just that they need the assistance for some other reason.

The actual effect of drugs also varies between individuals. Some people don't tolerate caffeine at all and it makes them jittery, some people it helps relax, and some don't get that much out of it at all. Much like the drugs used for ADHD the effect you'll get when its not a suitable drug to help you can leave you confused why it would help anyone.

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13 minutes ago, karaddin said:

Some people don't tolerate caffeine at all and it makes them jittery, some people it helps relax,

This is me. I can drink coffee or tea all evening and then sleep like a rock.

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20 minutes ago, Liffguard said:

This is me. I can drink coffee or tea all evening and then sleep like a rock.

Ever investigated if you have ADHD? Because same and both finding it relaxing and being less sensitive to it are common variations in people with ADHD. Less commonly known presentations of it (ie less disruptive to the adults in your life, more disruptive to you personally) frequently go unrecognized, I didn't get diagnosed until I was in my 30s. Not armchair diagnosing you lol, just something that might be worth considering if you've never had reason to before.

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5 minutes ago, karaddin said:

Ever investigated if you have ADHD? Because same and both finding it relaxing and being less sensitive to it are common variations in people with ADHD. Less commonly known presentations of it (ie less disruptive to the adults in your life, more disruptive to you personally) frequently go unrecognized, I didn't get diagnosed until I was in my 30s. Not armchair diagnosing you lol, just something that might be worth considering if you've never had reason to before.

Can't say I've heard this one, but it would be fascinating to see it proven so. I'd never have guessed it, but things that can seem on their surface counterintuitive may have a more understandable underlying answer.

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15 minutes ago, karaddin said:

Ever investigated if you have ADHD?

It's something that's crossed my mind before. Never enough to actually talk to a medical professional about it, but definitely something I've at least considered.

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35 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Can't say I've heard this one, but it would be fascinating to see it proven so. I'd never have guessed it, but things that can seem on their surface counterintuitive may have a more understandable underlying answer.

Yeah I don't have a study to point to, just anecdotal from myself and my wife along with other people I know online. There's also still going to be individual variation of course.

From memory there's also some data suggesting taurine has a positive impact on ADHD and the relaxing effect is strongest from Red Bull for me. 

Of course there's also psychological components to consider, having a coffee can be a cultural exercise, a social one, have traits around it's consumption that can be considered ritualistic, and be part of a routine. All of these can also shape the way the drug is doing to effect you.

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45 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Can't say I've heard this one, but it would be fascinating to see it proven so. I'd never have guessed it, but things that can seem on their surface counterintuitive may have a more understandable underlying answer.

I have paradoxical reactions to morphine and oxycodone. Insomnia. I’ve also had diagnosed depression. 

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47 minutes ago, Liffguard said:

It's something that's crossed my mind before. Never enough to actually talk to a medical professional about it, but definitely something I've at least considered.

One of the other symptoms I've seen pop up as common among people who don't catch it till later is "Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria", if you haven't heard that before it might be worth having a look online to see if there's a different group of traits that also fit.

10 minutes ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

I have paradoxical reactions to morphine and oxycodone. Insomnia. I’ve also had diagnosed depression. 

My cousin has a similar reaction to most sedating medication, doesn't seem very helpful

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2 hours ago, karaddin said:

Individuals vary though, for some people needing a stimulant to be more alert/focused isn't an indication that they're not finding their work stimulating, just that they need the assistance for some other reason.

Don't get me wrong: I don't mean that other people are foolish, at fault or there's something wrong with them, because they'd find their work boring or tedious without plenty of coffee. I just mean that if work is boring, then as far as I'm concerned it is work that will have to suffer, not me who will have to drink something I strongly dislike just to be more productive. Or to put it in another way, there's at times something wrong with job and work, since we might require something to boost us to do or finish it efficiently.

As for relaxing to some people, it might - I can drink orange juice or coke just before sleeping, they haven't any noticeable effect on me.

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29 minutes ago, karaddin said:

Of course there's also psychological components to consider, having a coffee can be a cultural exercise, a social one, have traits around it's consumption that can be considered ritualistic, and be part of a routine. All of these can also shape the way the drug is doing to effect you.

Yeah, I don't really get much effect, if any, from energy drinks or caffeine pills or the like. But even small amounts of coffee can work wonders. I suspect there's a strong placebo effect going on besides the chemical itself. It's the whole ritual and routine of making it. The feeling of warmth in my hands from the mug, the steam and the aroma. It's a whole experience.

Some somkers I know have told me they have a similar relationship to cigarettes. That it's not just the nicotine, it's the whole social and experiential package that comes with the physical act of smoking.

 

4 minutes ago, karaddin said:

One of the other symptoms I've seen pop up as common among people who don't catch it till later is "Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria", if you haven't heard that before it might be worth having a look online to see if there's a different group of traits that also fit.

Never heard that term before. I've just googled it. It...may very well apply to me. Putting it lightly.

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54 minutes ago, karaddin said:

Yeah I don't have a study to point to, just anecdotal from myself and my wife along with other people I know online. There's also still going to be individual variation of course.

From memory there's also some data suggesting taurine has a positive impact on ADHD and the relaxing effect is strongest from Red Bull for me. 

Of course there's also psychological components to consider, having a coffee can be a cultural exercise, a social one, have traits around it's consumption that can be considered ritualistic, and be part of a routine. All of these can also shape the way the drug is doing to effect you.

And that's okay. It's just something interesting that I wouldn't have guessed if indeed it's correct.

52 minutes ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

I have paradoxical reactions to morphine and oxycodone. Insomnia. I’ve also had diagnosed depression. 

I almost never get hungry when I smoke weed.

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3 hours ago, karaddin said:

Individuals vary though, for some people needing a stimulant to be more alert/focused isn't an indication that they're not finding their work stimulating, just that they need the assistance for some other reason.

The actual effect of drugs also varies between individuals. Some people don't tolerate caffeine at all and it makes them jittery, some people it helps relax, and some don't get that much out of it at all. Much like the drugs used for ADHD the effect you'll get when its not a suitable drug to help you can leave you confused why it would help anyone.

Yea I have a bit of a weird relationship with caffeine. A little bit is fine. Like a regular soda is OK, even a black tea like an earl grey or something is good - but increase the amount of caffeine a bit to the equivalent of a cup of coffee and I start getting jittery and I really, really hate the feeling it gives me. It’s weird because like many people a little bit of caffeine is nice and keeps me from snoring at my desk, but if I cross a certain threshold, which is pretty low, I very much dislike the feeling.

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Since this is about drugs you have never tried, I've never had a cup of coffee (or tea). Which is weird as I really want to, as I love the smell of coffee and the smugness of tea drinkers. I just don't like hot drinks at all. 

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9 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said:

Since this is about drugs you have never tried, I've never had a cup of coffee (or tea). Which is weird as I really want to, as I love the smell of coffee and the smugness of tea drinkers. I just don't like hot drinks at all. 

I had never even sipped coffee until I was 30 as I hated the smell of it, but got drawn in by a December in Sweden. The combination of really cold weather and getting coffee together being a thing (fika) I got drawn in. A couple of weeks of that and by the time I came home dependency had its claws in me and I started getting mysterious migraines that didn't respond to meds normally, took coincidentally having an iced tea while out for breakfast (Jan in Sydney can be as hot as Sweden was cold) and the penny dropped.

I got into the experience of drinking coffee and learnt to tolerate the flavour, but I still need it drowned out. Then a couple of years ago I started yet another medication for migraine preventative and it changed my perception of body temperature - I went from someone who was frequently freezing in temperatures that should have been cold to sleeping with just a sheet outside the middle of winter because I get too hot.

Along with feeling hot came the inability to drink anything hot most of the time. If I've walked at all then I'm definitely too hot, so take away coffee is a no go, I can sometimes have one when sitting down for a meal but that's about it. So that was a long story to say I can understand completely not liking hot drinks. I get my caffeine from those poorly regarded energy drinks because at least they're cold.

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