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Terry Matalas explained to Inverse that “This Guinan wouldn’t remember Picard because in this alternate timeline, the TNG episode ‘Time’s Arrow’ never happened.”

Matalas has confirmed with TrekMovie that the way they are treating time travel is that even though they arrived before Q’s divergence in time, they are not in the Prime timeline; they are still in the altered “Confederation” timeline. This logic flows to other future instances of time travel, like Sisko going back to 2024 San Francisco (DS9 “Past Tense”) and Kirk going back in time to save the whales (Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home). Matalas explained this in our article about bringing back the Punk from Voyage Home, saying “Star Trek IV wouldn’t have happened in this alternate timeline.”

 

https://trekmovie.com/2022/03/27/showrunner-explains-how-star-trek-picard-is-handling-time-travel-and-the-eugenics-wars/

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16 hours ago, RumHam said:

Still fairly confident that Picard will save the day, return to the future and probably have some sort of conversation with Guinan that confirms she did meet him in 2024, thus making the current time frame one in which Picard averts this crisis but also the Bell Riots didn’t happen. Which doesn’t add up.

Also, who started this divergence anyway? Q? So he started it but also sent Picard to fix it? The neat thing about Tapestry was that Picard chose to not get stabbed and then faced the consequences. It really loses its resonance if this is just a random task that Q felt like dishing out. 

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The Sanctuary Districts thst led to the Bell Riots looked pretty dystopian to me in the 90’s. Now the notion that cities would set aside whole city blocks for the homeless looks almost like socialism :/

What is weird is Sisko saying the Bell Riots led to real improvements…

Yeah, for a couple of decades until WW3.

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Character promos for SNW:

Hemmer, the blind Aenar engineer (not sure if Chief Engineer but seems likely):

 

Doctor M'Benga:

 

Lt. Erica Ortegas, Helmsman:

 

Lt. La'an Noonian Singh, Chief of Security:


Cadet Uhura:

 

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2 hours ago, RumHam said:

Did they ever clarify Kirk's position?

Hopefully janitor for the holodeck.

Anyway, just watched Picard Ep 5, which I thought was a great improvement over the previous episode. I dont mind the slow burn either, with the caveat that TNG and other series managed to at least have the talky episodes involve some sort of 'sciencing' or discussion of moral issues. Wish we could have more of that rather than the rather unsubtle shoehorning of modern day issues into these episodes.

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16 hours ago, Corvinus85 said:

A better episode of Picard than last week, but the plot is still really slow.

Eh, barely.

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I just find myself picking holes in it the whole time, and I just don’t really like any characters enough to care.

You know what I like to do when I’ve got a Borg Queen on my hands? First, leave her by herself in a ship full of technology and go sleep in a nearby house. Then, when she inevitably causes havoc, I like to get riiiiigght up close within range of her assimilation tubes. 

So I guess we’ve already accepted that the Soong Mega-Genes always produce identical males, and have done for 400 years. But how the fuck does Bruce Maddox producing twins based on Data’s brain create a female who looks exactly like a great ancestor? And couldn’t he have used those drones to let her go swimming before?

Raffi continues to do the uniform proud; yea, fuck the timeline, let’s just beam him out. Definitely command material. And me fresh off a rewatch of ‘Who Watches The Watchers?’, where Picard takes an arrow to the chest because it’s that important that this primitive society don’t perceive him as a god. Back when Star Trek was about stuff.

Also, is it intentional irony that a thread named “All Good Things…” hasn’t been closed at 26 pages? 

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21 minutes ago, DaveSumm said:

Eh, barely.

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I just find myself picking holes in it the whole time, and I just don’t really like any characters enough to care.

You know what I like to do when I’ve got a Borg Queen on my hands? First, leave her by herself in a ship full of technology and go sleep in a nearby house. Then, when she inevitably causes havoc, I like to get riiiiigght up close within range of her assimilation tubes. 

So I guess we’ve already accepted that the Soong Mega-Genes always produce identical males, and have done for 400 years. But how the fuck does Bruce Maddox producing twins based on Data’s brain create a female who looks exactly like a great ancestor? And couldn’t he have used those drones to let her go swimming before?

Raffi continues to do the uniform proud; yea, fuck the timeline, let’s just beam him out. Definitely command material. And me fresh off a rewatch of ‘Who Watches The Watchers?’, where Picard takes an arrow to the chest because it’s that important that this primitive society don’t perceive him as a god. Back when Star Trek was about stuff.

Also, is it intentional irony that a thread named “All Good Things…” hasn’t been closed at 26 pages? 

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The Brent Spiner stuff...being all the ancestors and such...that's fine with me.  It shouldn't be that big of a deal.  It's simply stunt casting for a character you want to people to connect back to the source a little easier.  And frankly, I like Spiner playing these evil ancestors...

As to the daughter looking exaclty like the twin androids from 400 years in the future...?  Well, now that turns my head and makes me think there is something else at work here...if not for the various points of view of the extended cast, it would make me suspect that Picard was in some sort of dream, possibly concocted by the Queen on the Stargazer that didn't actually explode...

In reality, if the daughter character is never seen by anyone else in the cast, it isn't really a thing.  It's just a new use of another member of the previous cast being used as a kind of Easter Egg in the following season...

 

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23 minutes ago, Jaxom 1974 said:
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The Brent Spiner stuff...being all the ancestors and such...that's fine with me.  It shouldn't be that big of a deal.  It's simply stunt casting for a character you want to people to connect back to the source a little easier.  And frankly, I like Spiner playing these evil ancestors...

As to the daughter looking exaclty like the twin androids from 400 years in the future...?  Well, now that turns my head and makes me think there is something else at work here...if not for the various points of view of the extended cast, it would make me suspect that Picard was in some sort of dream, possibly concocted by the Queen on the Stargazer that didn't actually explode...

In reality, if the daughter character is never seen by anyone else in the cast, it isn't really a thing.  It's just a new use of another member of the previous cast being used as a kind of Easter Egg in the following season...

 

Funnily enough, it made me think of Back to the Future III, where Marty’s great grandmother looks like Lorraine even though there’s no familial relationship there at all. She’s not a McFly.

And Lorraine guest starred in this very episode!

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If we are talking about Lea Thompson, she also directed episodes 3 and 4 of this season (although I have to say I missed her guest appearance in this episode). Makes sense she hung around to do a cameo as well.

Only reason I know she was the director was because of the Ready Room episodes.

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22 minutes ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

If we are talking about Lea Thompson, she also directed episodes 3 and 4 of this season (although I have to say I missed her guest appearance in this episode). Makes sense she hung around to do a cameo as well.

Only reason I know she was the director was because of the Ready Room episodes.

She was on the panel that (somehow) is allowed to ban people from studying genetics.

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2 hours ago, DaveSumm said:

She was on the panel that (somehow) is allowed to ban people from studying genetics.

I missed that it was her because I was reading the name plates of the characters for Easter Eggs...one of the men on the panel was named Rozhenko (or however you spell the last name of Worf's adoptive family...)

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