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[SpaceChampion]

 

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

3 hours ago, Werthead said:

I am liking the huge lengths they went to to improve the "identikit" ship problem from Picard Season 1. The new Stargazer and the new Excelsior are excellent designs.

I also like how in the ~30 years since First Contact, the Sovereign class has become pretty ubiquitous.

Not a huge fan of the Ross class, though it looks like an anemic Galaxy.

Nerd.

You'd think that in this quasi-socialist society, after a few hundred years they'd settle on a basic template and adjust scale and proportion based on specific requirements.   

 

[Werthead]

11 minutes ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

You'd think that in this quasi-socialist society, after a few hundred years they'd settle on a basic template and adjust scale and proportion based on specific requirements. 

They pretty much do. They have a saucer and x number of nacelles and swap around configurations (nacelles above or below, varied size and weapons placements, more of a science or combat or technical specialisation etc) based on need.

[Ran]

Does the Stargazer have Borg tech? I don't see it in the design shown here, at least, it just makes me think 80's-era designs more than anything with the amount of angularity we're seeing.

Re: Excelsior neck, I feel like this new design is hardly better -- 90% of it is still that same molded black/dark grey look, they just added a thin windowed extension to that way-too-wide neck. I have no idea what technical manuals have said about the Excelsior's neck and why it's like that, but I assume they came up some reason -- maybe extra-armored because of the neck being generally a weak point? Regardless, personally I always liked it. I think I recall that the designer cited Japanese aesthetics, so I think back to some 80s consumer electronics or automotive designs -- molded plastics everywhere,.

And i especially like how long and lean the aft area is. Rather than 80s, that one's pure early 60s Detroit. This fan redesign was something I stumbled across when trying to refresh my memory on the Excelsior-class design, and I have to say I largely like it -- the neck even blends the dark look with a narrow windowed segment like the official Excelsior II design, but in a much sleeker and more elegant way -- but they seriously cut back the aft section of the main body of the ship and I don't care for it.

[sifth]

4 hours ago, Werthead said:

I am liking the huge lengths they went to to improve the "identikit" ship problem from Picard Season 1. The new Stargazer and the new Excelsior are excellent designs.

I also like how in the ~30 years since First Contact, the Sovereign class has become pretty ubiquitous.

Not a huge fan of the Ross class, though it looks like an anemic Galaxy.

 

 

Bad Robot doesn't make any of the Trek shows. That's JJ Abrams' production company, so are only involved in the Kelvin timeline movies he produced or directed.

Alex Kurtzman has a history working with Bad Robot and he's the showrunner for most of these Trek shows. So yes, what your saying is technically true, but at the same time if it's still made by people who worked for the company, the end result is still more or less the same.

[Werthead]

39 minutes ago, Ran said:

Does the Stargazer have Borg tech? I don't see it in the design shown here, at least, it just makes me think 80's-era designs more than anything with the amount of angularity we're seeing.

Yeah, in dialogue they note the Stargazer has upgrades inherited from the Borg Artifact (the crashed cube from Season 1). And I assume all Starfleet vessels now have 35+ years worth of upgrades and Borg-fighting weapons from their original encounters, Seven's knowledge and whatever Voyager brought back from the DQ.

[Corvinus85]

5 hours ago, Werthead said:

I am liking the huge lengths they went to to improve the "identikit" ship problem from Picard Season 1. The new Stargazer and the new Excelsior are excellent designs.

I also like how in the ~30 years since First Contact, the Sovereign class has become pretty ubiquitous.

Not a huge fan of the Ross class, though it looks like an anemic Galaxy.

What are those yellow sections, primarily on the outer diameter of a saucer? A lot of the ships have them, but not all.

[Werthead]

39 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said:

What are those yellow sections, primarily on the outer diameter of a saucer? A lot of the ships have them, but not all.

Maneuvering thrusters, I believe.

[williamjm]

4 hours ago, Werthead said:

and whatever Voyager brought back from the DQ.

Maybe all Starfleet ships now have an inexhaustible supply of endlessly respawning shuttlecraft?

[sifth]

36 minutes ago, williamjm said:

Maybe all Starfleet ships now have an inexhaustible supply of endlessly respawning shuttlecraft?

Wouldn't Voyager be the most advanced ship in the Federation, once it returned to Earth. Future Janeway gave the ship future technology upgrades, to the point where it had armor shields that could resist Borg weapons and tractor beams; along with photon torpedo's that could destroy Borg Cubes, with one shot. I mean, how are the Borg even a threat to the Federations, after the season final of Voyager.

[Werthead]

Shooting has finished - for good - on Star Trek: Picard. The third season will be the last, as was expected.

All of the other new-Trek shows have been renewed, and it's likely a new show will be commissioned to replace Picard. Unclear if it'll be the Section 31 show, the Worf show or the Starfleet Academy idea that's been re-floated recently.

17 minutes ago, sifth said:

Wouldn't Voyager be the most advanced ship in the Federation, once it returned to Earth. Future Janeway gave the ship future technology upgrades, to the point where it had armor shields that could resist Borg weapons and tractor beams; along with photon torpedo's that could destroy Borg Cubes, with one shot. I mean, how are the Borg even a threat to the Federations, after the season final of Voyager.

To quote William T. Riker, "they have the ability to adapt!"

[sifth]

1 hour ago, Werthead said:

To quote William T. Riker, "they have the ability to adapt!"

Just saying, Voyager was beyond OP in that final episode. To the point where it almost seemed silly.

[Werthead]

43 minutes ago, sifth said:

Just saying, Voyager was beyond OP in that final episode. To the point where it almost seemed silly.

Star Trek does have a very proud and long track record of ignoring moronic things from earlier episodes, to be fair (moving brains, using the transporter to make yourself younger/immortal etc).

[felice]

4 hours ago, Werthead said:

All of the other new-Trek shows have been renewed, and it's likely a new show will be commissioned to replace Picard. Unclear if it'll be the Section 31 show, the Worf show or the Starfleet Academy idea that's been re-floated recently.

At this stage I'd rather see a direct sequel to Picard, focusing on the other main characters from that show. But I'll settle for anything set in that timeframe.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

11 hours ago, Werthead said:

They pretty much do. They have a saucer and x number of nacelles and swap around configurations (nacelles above or below, varied size and weapons placements, more of a science or combat or technical specialisation etc) based on need.

They do but only in too-general way. At some point they'd settle on an optimal number of nacelles or a fairly uniform nacelle design. same for saucer sections or deflector dishes. The value added in the variety details have to be eating money. Why does the Stargazer have four nacelles? 

The Empire in SW is much better at this. 

[SpaceChampion]

 A Stargazer show with Captain Rios would be fine.  I'd make it a training vessel, with recent Starfleet Academy graduates placed there before moving on as slots on other ships open up.

[Werthead]

7 hours ago, Deadlines? What Deadlines? said:

They do but only in too-general way. At some point they'd settle on an optimal number of nacelles or a fairly uniform nacelle design. same for saucer sections or deflector dishes. The value added in the variety details have to be eating money. Why does the Stargazer have four nacelles? 

The Empire in SW is much better at this. 

I believe the idea is that four-nacelled ships can propel the smaller primary hull at higher warp velocities for longer compared to other ships of their day. The OG Stargazer was likely quite a lot faster than the Enterprise, for example. Useful for a scout or fast responding ship.

There are other ways around it. The Galaxy-class has two warp coils in each nacelle, effectively giving it four nacelles but packaged in two separate structures. The Sagan-class might look like it has four nacelles but really has eight or more, and for all we know has transwarp as standard at this point.

One of the things I like about the 32nd Century era is that the massive technological improvements since the Berman Era have ships able to traverse the entire galaxy in a few weeks, as you'd expect, and hence why Gamma and Delta Quadrant species are now common sights in Alpha and Beta (and presumably vice versa).

[sifth]

12 hours ago, Werthead said:

Star Trek does have a very proud and long track record of ignoring moronic things from earlier episodes, to be fair (moving brains, using the transporter to make yourself younger/immortal etc).

Or like how I heard the first episode of Picard this year more or less ignores the fact that Picard is dead and has been replaced with a robot copy.

[Werthead]

55 minutes ago, sifth said:

Or like how I heard the first episode of Picard this year more or less ignores the fact that Picard is dead and has been replaced with a robot copy.

They do allude to it briefly, but oddly directly reference it outright in Discovery S4.

[Deadlines? What Deadlines?]

3 hours ago, Werthead said:

I believe the idea is that four-nacelled ships can propel the smaller primary hull at higher warp velocities for longer compared to other ships of their day. The OG Stargazer was likely quite a lot faster than the Enterprise, for example. Useful for a scout or fast responding ship.

There are other ways around it. The Galaxy-class has two warp coils in each nacelle, effectively giving it four nacelles but packaged in two separate structures. The Sagan-class might look like it has four nacelles but really has eight or more, and for all we know has transwarp as standard at this point.

One of the things I like about the 32nd Century era is that the massive technological improvements since the Berman Era have ships able to traverse the entire galaxy in a few weeks, as you'd expect, and hence why Gamma and Delta Quadrant species are now common sights in Alpha and Beta (and presumably vice versa).

Hands down the three Trek-nerdy-ist paragraphs ever posted on these boards I'd wager. I salute you, man. With love. With love. How do the Heisenberg compensators work? Very well, thank you. 

I assumed the 32nd century ships are actually updated ships that come from multiple eras; hence the crazy variety in spec and construction.