Tywin et al. Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 Just now, DMC said: Why in the world is them possibly getting one pick instead of four picks for Watson advantageous to the Texans? This makes no sense. Helps them justify not trading him, if no relative fair value exists. If his value drops due to a scandal, even a BS one (not saying this one is BS), then it's easier to either hold him or find a way to void the contract (morality clauses) if that seems like the best course of action. And again, to be clear, I doubt that's what is happening, but this case is weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: Helps them justify not trading him Um, no. If we're talking about public perception, sexual assault charges do not help justify keeping a player. Just the opposite, in fact. And if they're behind making up the charges, then voiding his contract based on those charges is some serious criminal - not just crazy - behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briantw Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 Is this honestly going to impact his trade value in a significant way? He's still one of the five best QBs in the NFL. There will always be a market for that so long as he's not in jail, and even then Michael Vick has shown us that NFL owners literally could not give less of a fuck about your heinous crimes after you're released if you're good enough to help them win football games. We can talk about how times have changed, but NFL teams are ultimately still owned by old, rich white Republicans who don't care how many women Deshaun Watson allegedly raped so long as he can still sling a football at an elite level. Maybe this lowers his value a bit, but given that these are currently all civil suits and not criminal, I'm not sure how much of a difference it actually makes. Without proof, can the NFL really justify a suspension at all? Because that would create a slippery slope for them that I'm positive they don't want. Tyreek Hill probably broke his kid's arm. You want to know how many fucks the NFL gave when it couldn't be proven? Zero. Adrian Peterson whipped the living fuck out of his kid with a stick and he's back every Sunday taking snaps and you haven't heard word one about what a piece of shit he is in four years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, briantw said: Is this honestly going to impact his trade value in a significant way? He's still one of the five best QBs in the NFL. There will always be a market for that so long as he's not in jail, and even then Michael Vick has shown us that NFL owners literally could not give less of a fuck about your heinous crimes after you're released if you're good enough to help them win football games. No I don't think it will, especially in the long run. It may in the short run though, especially - of course - if teams are unsure whether/how long he may be in line for a suspension or not. But after awhile? Nah, everyone will move on. That's why I made the Chapman comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, DMC said: Um, no. If we're talking about public perception, sexual assault charges do not help justify keeping a player. Just the opposite, in fact. And if they're behind making up the charges, then voiding his contract based on those charges is some serious criminal - not just crazy - behavior. But again, through this thought prism, the point is to lower his value while retaining him. If they're behind the charges, all the more sinister. Would this really be all that shocking from the worst run team in American professional sports over the last year or so who promoted a seemingly fraudulent Chaplin to run the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briantw Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: But again, through this thought prism, the point is to lower his value while retaining him. If they're behind the charges, all the more sinister. Would this really be all that shocking from the worst run team in American professional sports over the last year or so who promoted a seemingly fraudulent Chaplin to run the team? If there's one thing the last four-ish years have taught me, it's that there's basically no depth to which Trump supporters won't sink, and the Texans ownership and management, along with Buzbee, are all Trump supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted March 18, 2021 Share Posted March 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Tywin et al. said: But again, through this thought prism, the point is to lower his value while retaining him. This thought prism doesn't make any sense. Again, as I've said repeatedly, is it possible they're this crazy? Yes. But it is crazy, and not rational or logical in any way. I mean, let's accept the premise that they're behind these charges. That means, I'd assume, Watson knows that. And I don't know about you, but if a team tried to do that to me I would never play for them again under any circumstances. Let's not act like Watson is "trapped" here, he has options. Including simply not playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briantw Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 31 minutes ago, DMC said: This thought prism doesn't make any sense. Again, as I've said repeatedly, is it possible they're this crazy? Yes. But it is crazy, and not rational or logical in any way. I mean, let's accept the premise that they're behind these charges. That means, I'd assume, Watson knows that. And I don't know about you, but if a team tried to do that to me I would never play for them again under any circumstances. Let's not act like Watson is "trapped" here, he has options. Including simply not playing. Yeah, this is what I come back to as well. If you're Watson and know you're innocent, this is all an obvious campaign by your bosses. But at the same time, what is his alternative? He's under a long-term contract with the team. He can either sit at home and make nothing during the prime years of his career or he can go play football and make enough money for ten lifetimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 minute ago, briantw said: But at the same time, what is his alternative? Well, if someone did that to me and I really was innocent, I would definitely be focusing right now on clearing my name. And Watson has plenty of options and resources to avail himself with in such an effort. Then I'd go public explaining why I'd never play for an employer that did that to me and sue them to try to get my contract voided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briantw Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, DMC said: Well, if someone did that to me and I really was innocent, I would definitely be focusing right now on clearing my name. And Watson has plenty of options and resources to avail himself with in such an effort. Then I'd go public explaining why I'd never play for an employer that did that to me and sue them to try to get my contract voided. I totally agree, but the math might feel different if I'm losing out on thirty million a year during the prime years of my earning career in a profession where careers can be over in an instant. Maybe the Texans are betting on him taking the money. And that's a safe bet, because that's probably what most of us would do. The more likely explanation is that Watson has a masseuse fetish, but it's fun to come up with conspiracy theories. Less fun than before QAnon, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 minute ago, briantw said: the math might feel different if I'm losing out on thirty million a year during the prime years of my earning career in a profession where careers can be over in an instant. Maybe the Texans are betting on him taking the money. And that's a safe bet, because that's probably what most of us would do. Watson's only 25. And he's only scheduled to make $10.5 million next year. I'd sacrifice that to take them to court and try to get out of the contract first. If a team really did that to someone, I think most people would do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briantw Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 Just now, DMC said: Watson's only 25. And he's only scheduled to make $10.5 million next year. I'd sacrifice that to take them to court and try to get out of the contract first. If a team really did that to someone, I think most people would do the same. Pretty sure that, if he sits out the entire season, his contract is frozen. Isn't that why holdouts typically have to report by like week eight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 minute ago, briantw said: Pretty sure that, if he sits out the entire season, his contract is frozen. Isn't that why holdouts typically have to report by like week eight? I'm not really sure. Funny enough, Marquise Goodwin was just "reverted back" to the Niners because he opted out of last season due to covid. For some reason that meant the Niners trading him to the Eagles "didn't happen," and he still has one more year on his contract. The Niners can simply release him without any dead money (which they'll do), but based on that you may well be right about the contract "freezing" if he sits out the entire year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briantw Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 Just now, DMC said: I'm not really sure. Funny enough, Marquise Goodwin was just "reverted back" to the Niners because he opted out of last season due to covid. For some reason that meant the Niners trading him to the Eagles "didn't happen," and he still has one more year on his contract. The Niners can simply release him without any dead money (which they'll do), but based on that you may well be right about the contract "freezing" if he sits out the entire year. I can say with 100% certainty that players who opted out of the 2020 season had their contracts frozen. That's why the Chiefs had to waive Damien Williams this offseason and why Andrew Billings is still under contract with the Browns right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 minute ago, briantw said: I can say with 100% certainty that players who opted out of the 2020 season had their contracts frozen. Yeah I'm just not sure if that applies to any player holding out the entire year for ___ reasons or if that was special due to covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
briantw Posted March 19, 2021 Author Share Posted March 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, DMC said: Yeah I'm just not sure if that applies to any player holding out the entire year for ___ reasons or if that was special due to covid. I'm not totally sure in that regard, but I'm fairly certain that's the case. I think you have to report by a certain point (I'm using week eight but it could be a different week) or your contract freezes for the year. This makes sense, as it protects teams from having players sit out a year just to void their contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, DMC said: This thought prism doesn't make any sense. Again, as I've said repeatedly, is it possible they're this crazy? Yes. But it is crazy, and not rational or logical in any way. Damnit man, what if they are truly insane? They traded arguably the best WR in football for nothing relative to his value and two firsts for an average LT. Isn't anything possible? Quote I mean, let's accept the premise that they're behind these charges. That means, I'd assume, Watson knows that. And I don't know about you, but if a team tried to do that to me I would never play for them again under any circumstances. Let's not act like Watson is "trapped" here, he has options. Including simply not playing. They can only be known unknowns for Watson. Holmes isn't even there to help him solve the case! So what Watson knowns is still to be revealed. Maybe he tried some bad poetry or something. But alas, to the Watson at hand, he may have suspicions, as would anyone, but he couldn't know for sure. If he thought it was legitimately the team, then he'd be done with them. But if there was ambiguity and they were the entity happy to pay him $40m to play football as his public image falls apart? Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: Damnit man, what if they are truly insane? They traded arguably the best WR in football for nothing relative to his value and two firsts for an average LT. Isn't anything possible? ....How many times do you want me to say I agree it's possible they're that crazy? 4 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: But alas, to the Watson at hand, he may have suspicions, as would anyone, but he couldn't know for sure. If he thought it was legitimately the team, then he'd be done with them. But if there was ambiguity and they were the entity happy to pay him $40m to play football as his public image falls apart? Who knows? If he was actually innocent, and then these accusations just happened to arise just as he's trying to get out of Houston, it's really not that hard to put two and two together. Watson doesn't need Holmes for that one. Doesn't even need uninspired Tom Hanks as Robert Langdon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin et al. Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, DMC said: ....How many times do you want me to say I agree it's possible they're that crazy? At least one more time, as I am clearly leaning in on a satirical bit! Quote If he was actually innocent, and then these accusations just happened to arise just as he's trying to get out of Houston, it's really not that hard to put two and two together. Watson doesn't need Holmes for that one. Doesn't even need uninspired Tom Hanks as Robert Langdon. We talking the first movie, in which he was acting his ass off, or the second one, in which Hanks was kind of mailing it in for the paycheck? Don't even make me threaten to put National Treasure Nic Cage on the case of things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: We talking the first movie, in which he was acting his ass off, or the second one, in which Hanks was kind of mailing it in for the paycheck? I don't really remember the second one. He pretty thoroughly mailed it in already with Da Vinci Code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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