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Will Euron's blood magic ritual work?


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TWOW spoilers ahead.  

So Euron is killing heaps of people and collecting their blood for a blood magic ritual probably to summon krakens to destroy the Redwyne fleet.  He has a big ship to store this blood. The number of people he has had killed must be a LOT.  

Thing is, Euron does not care about these people he has killed. They were not special or did not mean anything to him. What I'm saying is he did not sacrifice anyone - except his unborn child in Falia and aeron. Even though they are related by blood (kinship) he does not love them or care about them. 

Melisandre says this: 

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“Azor Ahai tempered Lightbringer with the heart’s blood of his own beloved wife. If a man with a thousand cows gives one to god, that is nothing. But a man who offers the only cow he owns . . .

What I understand from this quote is it is pointless and ineffective to sacrifice those who are not dear to you. If a man with only one cow sacrifices his only cow he will be extremely distraught because this single cow was his companion, he cared about her, his means of livelihood, it put food on his table. 

Euron doing a blood ritual of the thousands of people he killed -people he does not love or care about - well... I don't think this blood magic ritual will succeed.  It will be an epic fail. Best case scenario - ritual is only a little effective and summons a few krakens which barely damages the Redwyne Fleet. Best case or Worst case - Euron messed up and will die in the Redwyne straits.

 

also a question: when sacrificing the one you love for a blood magic ritual, will it only work if you kill them with your own hands or will it also work if you get some people to do it for you? Pretty sure Euron's soldiers did almost all of the killing for the blood. Dany killed Drogo with her own hands. If she had asked Jorah or someone I dont know if her ritual would have worked  to hatch dragons.

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Crows Eye appears, to me at least, to just be manipulating his captives and doing not much magic. He just always connives other people to do what he wants. Creating a feeding frenzy certainly ain’t magical.

I wonder if there is a hibernating dragon sleeping under the water near the Citadel. Or some other creature or purpose that would shock my expectations.

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A repeat of Lodos.

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Lodos

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Harren Hoare, King of the Isles and the Rivers, was killed during the burning of Harrenhal. Although Qhorin Volmark insisted he was Harren's heir, Lodos rejected the claim. A barefoot Lodos was crowned King of the Iron Islands with a driftwood crown by twoscore priests gathered at Nagga's Bones on Old Wyk.[1]

When King Aegon I Targaryen attacked the Iron Islands to put down several rebellious would-be kings, Lodos turned to his god and called on the krakens of the deep to drag down Aegon's warships. When the beasts failed to appear, Lodos filled his robes with stones and walked into the sea to "take counsel" with his claimed father, the Drowned God. Thousands followed Lodos. Their corpses would wash up on the shores for years to come, except for Lodos's own body.[2]

I think Euron will eventually come to Cersei looking for an heir, as he said he seeks to have one worthy of the Iron Throne. Victarion's betrayal will take him down a notch.

Cersei would win her trial, Ser Robert Strong becomes a champion of the Seven as the faith militants (who Cersei armed, remember that) fear the coming of the Red God and his priests, every awful thing said of Cersei will be said to have been the Tyrells' and Dorne's plotting, and soon enough a "miracle" occurs against her enemies, attributed to the Seven.

Cersei the Blessed.

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Euron's third eye seems to be fully open, so I think that whatever he is doing, he is following what he's seeing in the visions to get himself from point A to point B.

I don't think it matters whether he does the killing himself. And we know he has no problem doing the dirty work himself. He murdered two of his brother and put out a hit on another.

I think it comes down to his willingness to make the sacrifice, which he doesn't seem to have issues with. He has pregnant with his child Falia Flowers tied to the prow of the Silence along with his priestly brother. 

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Euron knows what he is doing, and he does sacrifice at least one unborn child ... and might in addition also sacrifice some of his other bastards on the other ships. He also intends to sacrifice his brother Aeron, although I think chances are not that bad that Aeron will get away.

It is not the case that you have to sacrifice only things you deeply love to get a magical result - Stannis and Mel sacrifice Alester Florent to create a powerful wind, yet neither of them loved or cared much for that man.

And sorcery in general isn't rooted only in blood magic or sacrifice, especially not the sacrifice of people you love. Qyburn created his undead monster without sacrificing anything he or Cersei loved, the Faceless Men change their faces without sacrificing any loved ones, etc.

Euron is fueling his own magical powers by consuming great amounts of shade of the evening, and he doesn't really have to work a very big spell to get the results he wants. All he needs is to summon a storm directed at the enemy fleet and sparing his own ships - which should be doable with magic - and/or to summon krakens who only target the enemy ships. Or both.

Bottom line is, if he can use magic to confuse and terrorize and attack the enemy, then he will likely win the battle, because he can brief his captains about what's going to happen and they can work out a strategy how to deal with those Redwyne ships that escape the storm and/or the tentacles of the krakens.

You guys should expect to see a repretition of the Field of Fire ... with a magical storm/summoned krakens playing the roles of Aegon's dragons. And the Ironborn will destroy the ships and butcher the people that escape the carnage, just like Aegon's army dealt with the folks trying to escape the flames.

This battle is going to be a very important event in the books. It will establish Euron Greyjoy both as a terror and wonder, very much like the Field of Fire did for Aegon the Conqueror. Like he won the Reach and the West in that battle, Euron will likely get the allegiance of the Hightowers and a good portion of the Reach after that battle ... if he plays his cards right and shows mercy and good terms to the survivors.

Which he will, because the entire point of that thing will be to show all of Westeros what he is capable of. It wouldn't work if there were no survivors telling stories about his magical powers and magnanimity.

Euron will be very close to the Iron Throne after that battle.

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3 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

You guys should expect to see a repretition of the Field of Fire ... with a magical storm/summoned krakens playing the roles of Aegon's dragons. And the Ironborn will destroy the ships and butcher the people that escape the carnage, just like Aegon's army dealt with the folks trying to escape the flames.

This battle is going to be a very important event in the books. It will establish Euron Greyjoy both as a terror and wonder, very much like the Field of Fire did for Aegon the Conqueror. Like he won the Reach and the West in that battle, Euron will likely get the allegiance of the Hightowers and a good portion of the Reach after that battle ... if he plays his cards right and shows mercy and good terms to the survivors.

There is a possibility that team Hightower (lord Leyton and Mad Maid) will use magic to interfere whatever Euron is trying to do. So it is impossible to say what will actually happen.

We might even see something like Hardhome, Doom of Valyria and Summerhall. Or I assume that all of those phenomena were caused by people who tried to use magic for their own purposes but lost the control bc they did not understood how dangerous magic could be. Or I think magic as chaotic and very dangerous force that could cause massive collateral damage.

So there is a possibility that magical duel between Euron and team Hightower will destroy both of them. Or they both will be losers who wiped out their own navy and city bc they played with magic.

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27 minutes ago, Loose Bolt said:

There is a possibility that team Hightower (lord Leyton and Mad Maid) will use magic to interfere whatever Euron is trying to do. So it is impossible to say what will actually happen.

We might even see something like Hardhome, Doom of Valyria and Summerhall. Or I assume that all of those phenomena were caused by people who tried to use magic for their own purposes but lost the control bc they did not understood how dangerous magic could be. Or I think magic as chaotic and very dangerous force that could cause massive collateral damage.

So there is a possibility that magical duel between Euron and team Hightower will destroy both of them. Or they both will be losers who wiped out their own navy and city bc they played with magic.

That is not very likely considering there is zero buildup for Leyton and Melara being some kind of super sorcerers. Euron, on the other hand, seems to be such a person.

I'm not saying they might not also understands spells and whatnot, but I guess there research is more going to play into the Others/Daenerys plot than fighting against Euron.

Eventually Euron will fail, of course, but so far he isn't even that serious of a threat. He has to crush the Redwynes and win allies on the mainland, or else his plot - which has been built up since ASoS - is going to be just a huge waste of time. And there is no indication that this is the case. Moqorro even has Euron as the main enemy/danger to Daenerys.

You cannot play up that guy enough. The Others aside, he is the big bad of this series.

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Euron will team up with Cersei. And Euron "I am the storm, the first and the last." will wreck Storm's End. Capture Arianne, give her as a gift to Cersei, for her to get her revenge on the Martells for what they did to Myrcella.

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23 minutes ago, Loose Bolt said:

There is a possibility that team Hightower (lord Leyton and Mad Maid) will use magic to interfere whatever Euron is trying to do. So it is impossible to say what will actually happen.

It will be interesting if the Hightowers do in fact have a glass candle and are watching him in order to prepare for what's coming. At the same time, we know next to nothing about the Hightowers or how good they are at this. 

 

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It seems possible - probable even - that Aemon's corpse will become a factor in what goes down. If the body was unloaded in Oldtown, his King's blood could be used by someone there to defend against Euron but if Marwyn actually left on Cinnamon Wind with Aemon still on board Euron could potentially gain possession, which would be a very dangerous thing.

My guess though is that Aemon was unloaded in Oldtown and that the maesters or Hightowers have possession. They won't know what to do with it right away so the Redwyne fleet is probably going to fall under Euron's control. But Sam will have a role in figuring out what to do to defend in future against the magic that Euron summons.

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23 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

Eventually Euron will fail, of course, but so far he isn't even that serious of a threat. He has to crush the Redwynes and win allies on the mainland, or else his plot - which has been built up since ASoS - is going to be just a huge waste of time. And there is no indication that this is the case. Moqorro even has Euron as the main enemy/danger to Daenerys.

You cannot play up that guy enough. The Others aside, he is the big bad of this series

IMHO idea that magic solves all problems is deus ex machina. Or magic should not be some kind of trump card but it should be like Horned Lord mentioned "Sorcery is a sword without a hilt. There is no safe way to grasp it."  So there is a chance that Euron's role in the serie is to show to us what happens when people had forgotten that warning.

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1 hour ago, Loose Bolt said:

IMHO idea that magic solves all problems is deus ex machina. Or magic should not be some kind of trump card but it should be like Horned Lord mentioned "Sorcery is a sword without a hilt. There is no safe way to grasp it."  So there is a chance that Euron's role in the serie is to show to us what happens when people had forgotten that warning.

That motto just states that using magic is dangerous, not that it backfires (spectacularly). As people also pointed out, a sword without a hilt is still a sword, and if you cut open your hands it is small price to pay if you can use the hiltless sword to kill your enemy.

And George has gone on record stating that magic is going to play a more and more prominent role as the series progresses. People seem to be kind of mistaken or blind to the importance of such characters as Bloodraven/Bran, Euron, Qyburn, Moqorro/Benerro, Marwyn, and even Melisandre.

Also, Euron crushing the Redwynes is something that he could reasonably do conventionally, if he came up with a good strategem and/or the gods (i.e. the weather) favored him. History is full of examples where a superior naval force was crushed by a weaker foe. But in Euron's case his fleet aren't exactly that much the underdog there. The Redwyne fleet is the only naval force in Westeros that could reasonably defeat the Ironborn armada ... but that doesn't mean they have to succeed at that.

Even if no magic was involved. If magic is involved, the bets change even more in Euron's favor.

This doesn't mean the man's sorcery won't be his downfall in the end ... but he is not going to be defeated by an extra like Paxter Redwyne, that's for sure.

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11 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

 

This doesn't mean the man's sorcery won't be his downfall in the end ... but he is not going to be defeated by an extra like Paxter Redwyne, that's for sure.

Agreed. His Valyrian steel armor is basically a symbol of the plot armor he has on at this point. It just doesn't make much sense to hype him up here and then let him die so anticlimactically. 

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18 minutes ago, Targaryeninkingslanding said:

Agreed. His Valyrian steel armor is basically a symbol of the plot armor he has on at this point. It just doesn't make much sense to hype him up here and then let him die so anticlimactically. 

That armor made me think that if there is a (would-be) dragonslayer among our characters, it would be Euron, too. Valyrian steel can withstand dragonfire, so a guy wearing armor made of Valyrian steel could very well walk right into the dragon's mouth, kill him, and remain (relatively) unscathed.

The reason why people never got Euron was that his plot didn't really progress much in AFfC (or at all in ADwD) but it was always clear the guy was build up as a huge player. That much was indicated even back in ACoK when Theon first thinks about Euron - at a point where we didn't even know whether the character was still alive.

Euron Greyjoy - most likely with Cersei at his side - is basically the guy Westeros is likely to ally against ... while they are fighting the Others at the same time. These two are the only characters mad enough to care more about their private ambitions and resentments to continue to fight the good guys gang when the Others become common knowledge.

No other character could do that - Littlefinger, Roose, even Ramsay and the Weeper and whatever nutcases that might still be out there would side with whoever fights the Others ... because they don't want to become blue-eyed zombies. But Euron and Cersei might (no longer) care about that.

The only character worse than Euron - who also would not want to become a zombie but intends to rule over something in the end - is likely going to be Lady Stoneheart. She qualifies as a character who might end up joining the Others willingly, if she ever realized that their solution to the world's problems - killing everybody - is the one thing that might slake her thirst for vengeance.

Because she won't stop after she has dealt with the Lannisters and Freys in the Riverlands, that's sure. And neither might the madmen following her (at that point). Her movement could develop into something a death cult, especially now that winter has come and people in the Riverlands will die like flies.

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4 hours ago, Lord Varys said:

That armor made me think that if there is a (would-be) dragonslayer among our characters, it would be Euron, too. Valyrian steel can withstand dragonfire, so a guy wearing armor made of Valyrian steel could very well walk right into the dragon's mouth, kill him, and remain (relatively) unscathed.

The reason why people never got Euron was that his plot didn't really progress much in AFfC (or at all in ADwD) but it was always clear the guy was build up as a huge player. That much was indicated even back in ACoK when Theon first thinks about Euron - at a point where we didn't even know whether the character was still alive.

Euron Greyjoy - most likely with Cersei at his side - is basically the guy Westeros is likely to ally against ... while they are fighting the Others at the same time. These two are the only characters mad enough to care more about their private ambitions and resentments to continue to fight the good guys gang when the Others become common knowledge.

No other character could do that - Littlefinger, Roose, even Ramsay and the Weeper and whatever nutcases that might still be out there would side with whoever fights the Others ... because they don't want to become blue-eyed zombies. But Euron and Cersei might (no longer) care about that.

The only character worse than Euron - who also would not want to become a zombie but intends to rule over something in the end - is likely going to be Lady Stoneheart. She qualifies as a character who might end up joining the Others willingly, if she ever realized that their solution to the world's problems - killing everybody - is the one thing that might slake her thirst for vengeance.

Because she won't stop after she has dealt with the Lannisters and Freys in the Riverlands, that's sure. And neither might the madmen following her (at that point). Her movement could develop into something a death cult, especially now that winter has come and people in the Riverlands will die like flies.

A Valyrian steel armor is good for dragon rider, to protect them from arrows. It is worthless against dragonfire, the wearer will just burn to death inside it. It's not a bunker, it's an armor full of joints ;)

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The love sacrifice only applied to Azor Ahai.  Daenerys sacrificed her love, Khal Drogo.  That one has happened and it is historical.  The sacrifice of her husband led to her rebirth into Azor Ahai.  Euron is not Azor Ahai.  The rules for him are not the same.  Euron's sacrifice is his version of what the Children of the Forest did to break the land bridge.  The Children killed a lot of living things. Coincidence caused the ocean levels to rise.  The Children were sacrificing lives for a long time.  The rising waters hid the bridge.  Euron is releasing a lot of blood in the water.  Might that attract krakens and sharks without the need of magic? 

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10 hours ago, Egged said:

A Valyrian steel armor is good for dragon rider, to protect them from arrows. It is worthless against dragonfire, the wearer will just burn to death inside it. It's not a bunker, it's an armor full of joints ;)

You think so? It is magical steel. It withstands high temperatures, so chances are not that bad that it also doesn't pass on those temperatures to a wearer. Euron doesn't just have Valyrian armor to dodge some arrows...

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