Pebble thats Stubby Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 there is a petition against photo ID https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/abandon-plans-to-demand-photo-id-at-general-elections?fbclid=IwAR31f9YzLMkENCPk4SMuj9FgA3oA-bHIgdz2V6VrIxekTWJxsjoLLbXQBgE there is also probably one against changing the voting system, but not found it yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 I’m not all that sold on photo Id but I also don’t see it as some devious trick by the Tories to be in power forever. I feel like a lot of things it’s a narrative transplanted from the US and not really examined https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/voter-id-key-facts-and-figures/ So the electoral commission have been wanting photo identification since 2014. They reckon 92% of electors should have it. They also think it’s whites, and older people who are less likely to have ID. So if it was introduced surely it would hurt the Tories more than anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 It's completely unjustified. Or is there a massive problem with voter fraud in this country that literally nobody has ever heard about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Spockydog said: It's completely unjustified. Or is there a massive problem with voter fraud in this country that literally nobody has ever heard about? Stats show it really isn’t a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 HoI's link puts the case against voter ID very well: all of the evidence is that impersonation happens incredibly rarely and in most elections not at all. Pilots show hundreds of legitimate voters were turned away at the polls. Therefore the harms of voter ID massively outweigh the benefits and there is no sane argument for adopting it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Heartofice said: Stats show it really isn’t a problem Indeed. Just some more anti-democracy from Glorious Leader and his rabble of cretinous imps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Well the Electoral Commission says it has recommended ID due to potential weaknesses to impersonation.. yet so far only one person in 2017 was convicted of that. I’m not sure that one person was going to change the election result Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 You know an idea's really bad when Spocky and HoI agree that it's pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebble thats Stubby Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, polishgenius said: You know an idea's really bad when Spocky and HoI agree that it's pointless. So if its not only pointless to do this as it solves something that is not currently a problem (but may be in some strange unknown future) + it would actually be harmful as the pilots have shown with voters turned away. Introducing a Free (at point of collection) National ID card will still cost the Tax Payer money. I'm rather under the impression there is not a lot of spare money going around right now. So maybe we should wait until there is more of an indication of a problem than just 1 person impersonating someone else to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 pebs: that's all true, but here's the problem. None of that helps Priti Patel become Prime Minister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebble thats Stubby Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, mormont said: pebs: that's all true, but here's the problem. None of that helps Priti Patel become Prime Minister. maybe she should suggest using the money saved by not having a national ID card system (for those without other Photo ID) on the NHS or maybe feeding children or doing whatever Marcus Rashford campaigns for next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pebble thats Stubby said: maybe she should suggest using the money saved by not having a national ID card system (for those without other Photo ID) on the NHS or maybe feeding children or doing whatever Marcus Rashford campaigns for next. Not really on-brand for Patel. Maybe if she used the money to fund public stonings of asylum seekers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pebble thats Stubby said: maybe she should suggest using the money saved by not having a national ID card system (for those without other Photo ID) on the NHS or maybe feeding children or doing whatever Marcus Rashford campaigns for next. The NHS needs funds? Shouldn't it swim in the billions that the EU stole from the UK now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebble thats Stubby Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, mormont said: Not really on-brand for Patel. Maybe if she used the money to fund public stoning's of asylum seekers? I forgot she has to get the Tory Party to vote her as Boris's replacement, and not do something that would be genuinely popular.... Oh, yeah Stoning's it is then. Maybe she should also buy a really sharp knife to speed things up a bit. 6 minutes ago, Luzifer's right hand said: The NHS needs funds? Shouldn't it swim in the billions that the EU stole from the UK now? That all got diverted to the people that had Matt Hancock's mobile number or E-mail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 20 hours ago, Pebble thats Stubby said: there is a petition against photo ID https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/abandon-plans-to-demand-photo-id-at-general-elections?fbclid=IwAR31f9YzLMkENCPk4SMuj9FgA3oA-bHIgdz2V6VrIxekTWJxsjoLLbXQBgE there is also probably one against changing the voting system, but not found it yet Parliamentary one as well now: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/576024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 23 hours ago, Heartofice said: Stats show it really isn’t a problem The problems with voter malpractive that have arisen in this country relate to fabricating postal votes, treating, and intimidation, rather than personation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 So if the measures in the Queen's Speech all become law, then social media companies will have a duty to 'act on content that is lawful but still harmful such as abuse that falls below the threshold of a criminal offence' and may be fined if they don't. But universities, colleges and students' unions will have a duty to permit such speech or they may be sued. You could be invited to speak at my workplace and we'd have to allow it, but we wouldn't be allowed to post clips of the event on Twitter. Make sense of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 So at what point do Johnson's money problems become a matter of public concern? I mean, if Johnson was a high ranking rozzer, Ted Hastings would be so far up his colon he'd be able to tickle the PM's tonsils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebble thats Stubby Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 this is just Boris's attempt to connect with the poor, he will be able to empathise better with them after the Bailiffs turn up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derfel Cadarn Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-57100259 Glasgow sends Immigration police away empty-handed. After tweeting that they do not assist in the removal of asylum seekers, Police Scotland took the decison to make the Inmigration officers release the two men in the interests of public safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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