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Covid-19 #30: Vaccines and All That JJAZ

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20 minutes ago, Padraig said:

That line  I quoted above... "The most important quantity" of drug substance came from the American plant, owned by Catalent, before being put into vials in Italy in a process known as "fill and finish".

That seems quite clear that Catalent manufactures the COVID-19 vaccine in the US.  It was "filled and finished" in Italy.

There was always a US factory mentioned in the EU contract.

That seems bizarre, because Canada bought 20 M doses to be delivered from the US factory, and we haven’t received a single dose.

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1 hour ago, Padraig said:

In the latest twist, the EU does have to thank the US for some AZ vaccine.  So thanks US! :)

Never underestimate the power of freedumb! 

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58 minutes ago, Padraig said:

That line  I quoted above... "The most important quantity" of drug substance came from the American plant, owned by Catalent, before being put into vials in Italy in a process known as "fill and finish".

That seems quite clear that Catalent manufactures the COVID-19 vaccine in the US.  It was "filled and finished" in Italy.

There was always a US factory mentioned in the EU contract.

I just got home and opened that article.

According to Politico, therefore, Biden has repeatedly violated the Presidential EO banning the export of vaccine or components of vaccine by allowing them to be sent to Italy for fill and finish and then delivered to the EU.

Biden went through this song and dance with Canada and Mexico, saying the US was "lending" vaccine to Canada and Mexico, because he was not going to cancel the EO.  Canada and Mexico would have to "repay" the loan of vaccine doses in the future when we got deliveries. In fact, he repeatedly confirmed that he was not going to cancel the Trump EO. AZ received $1.2 B under Operation Warp Speed and so is definitely covered by the EO.

If this story is in fact true, then Biden is a lying liar who lies. And with friends like the USA, who the fuck needs enemies.

As you know, I have several times asked how the EU could allow J&J vaccine to leave the EU when the US would not allow US vaccine to leave the US. This would answer it. It would also make a reasonable explanation, J&J for AZ, so why the bloody hell is everyone bloody lying?

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8 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

As you know, I have several times asked how the EU could allow J&J vaccine to leave the EU when the US would not allow US vaccine to leave the US. This would answer it. It would also make a reasonable explanation, J&J for AZ, so why the bloody hell is everyone bloody lying?

Its a fair question.

I suppose you'd have to see what these people explicitly said.  The politico article reported that the European Council President had said that the "U.S. had imposed an outright ban on the export of vaccines or vaccine components produced on their territory."  Despite everything, this could be true.  Because didn't somebody previously say that this EO still allowed for the export of vaccine, as long as Biden (or some US department) approved it?

So there was a ban but exceptions can be made?

Rather than lies, obfuscation.

We don't know how much AZ the EU got.  It may have only gotten the same amount as Canada.  Just earlier.

But yes, I imagine you are right that EU having J&J to trade probably helped.

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18 minutes ago, Padraig said:

Its a fair question.

I suppose you'd have to see what these people explicitly said.  The politico article reported that the European Council President had said that the "U.S. had imposed an outright ban on the export of vaccines or vaccine components produced on their territory."  Despite everything, this could be true.  Because didn't somebody previously say that this EO still allowed for the export of vaccine, as long as Biden (or some US department) approved it?

No, it flat out says no exports until there is enough vaccine for all Americans who want to be vaccinated, and that decision can’t be made by Biden, but by the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the Secretary of State, in coordination with the Administrator of the US Agency of International Development, the Chief Executive Officer of the  US International Development Finance Corporation, the Chairman and President of the Export-Import Bank of the US, and the heads of other agencies, who “shall facilitate international access to United States Government Covid-19 Vaccines for allies, partners and others, as appropriate and consistent with all applicable laws”.

35 minutes ago, Padraig said:

Rather than lies, obfuscation.

No, that would be lies, plain old lies.

37 minutes ago, Padraig said:

We don't know how much AZ the EU got.  It may have only gotten the same amount as Canada.  Just earlier.

But yes, I imagine you are right that EU having J&J to trade probably helped.

Canada got 1.5 M doses, Mexico got 2.5 doses. The amount found in Italy was a lot more than that, 29 M doses.

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5 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

Canada got 1.5 M doses, Mexico got 2.5 doses. The amount found in Italy was a lot more than that, 29 M doses.

That's a different story. :)   There is so much going on!

Most of those 29m was produced in Halix in the Netherlands (not the US).  Halix is mentioned in the politico article.  It's output was stored in Italy until Halix was approved by the EU in late March.

5 hours ago, Fragile Bird said:

decision can’t be made by Biden, but by the Secretary of Health and Human Services and the Secretary of State, in coordination with the Administrator of the US Agency of International Development, the Chief Executive Officer of the  US International Development Finance Corporation, the Chairman and President of the Export-Import Bank of the US, and the heads of other agencies, who “shall facilitate international access to United States Government Covid-19 Vaccines for allies, partners and others, as appropriate and consistent with all applicable laws”.

That's a lot of people but they must have approved the transfer of AZ vaccine to Europe then?  Unless those people deny it, I don't see why we wouldn't believe the politico article.  The US gained from the transaction too.

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So if 60 M AZ doses are supposed to be available, does that mean that they have tested the AZ doses being held back at the Emergent plant and they’re ok? Or does it mean they hope the millions of doses at the plant might be ok? Or does it mean they assume the personnel J&J have placed in the plant are going to turn things around very quickly and get millions of doses rolling off the slow line that AZ has been put on (they took the manufacturing off the fast line)? Or will they be from Catalent?

I wonder how soon we’ll find out.

And my brother told me a man who received the J&J vaccine has had a cerebral blood clot. Just in time for the announcement that vaccinations would resume. Or was it one of the first vaccinations administered since the restart?

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1 hour ago, Fragile Bird said:

Surprise, surprise!

The story, already hundreds of years long, but never out-of-date, of insider trading, or something like.

You weren't surprised, but I have to admit I was, at least a teeny bit.

Edited by Zorral

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I've just turned on the tv for the first time since early this morning, and what do I see scroll by at the bottom of CNN's page? US embassy staff in India finally got vaccine doses two weeks ago. Embassy staff in Europe and elsewhere got vaccine doses months ago, but India? 

Amazing.

No vaccine doses for India meant no vaccine doses for India, right?

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In my area, now people 60 ys or older can try and get vaccinated. Pluspeople working in medical institutions, supermarkets and the like. Nobody is allowed to choose which vaccine (because shortage). It's not my turn yet, but if this is still the case when it is, I'm unsure what to do. 

I just watched a podcast waxing poetic about Biden's empathy and I'm ready to swing a pitchfork. (Yeah, it's nice he'll finally share the AZ at least, I guess.)

And I know there are countries much worse off, which is why an empathetic person would lift the patent protections, but alas...

Edited by Mindwalker

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1 hour ago, Fragile Bird said:

I've just turned on the tv for the first time since early this morning, and what do I see scroll by at the bottom of CNN's page? US embassy staff in India finally got vaccine doses two weeks ago. Embassy staff in Europe and elsewhere got vaccine doses months ago, but India? 

Amazing.

No vaccine doses for India meant no vaccine doses for India, right?

Also, 

"Two die and more than 100 test positive in coronavirus outbreak among US diplomatic staff in India"

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/26/politics/us-diplomatic-staff-coronavirus-india/index.html

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US personnel, family members and locally employed staff in India only began receiving their Covid vaccines within the past two weeks, one of the sources said. Within the past six weeks -- even as India's case rates were ticking up and staff had not yet been vaccinated -- there were two high-level trips by Biden administration officials to the country.

From an internet search this has been going on all winter and fall in Asian nations, that US diplomatic staff members are getting sick, sometimes dying.

 

Edited by Zorral

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I got my first shot earlier today.  Waiting to see if any side effects hit me.  They said I couldn't leave for fifteen minutes and gave me a cool sticker like the "I Voted" ones.  Also got a goodie bag with treats and a pen.  Second shot will be in a month. 

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Two news on vaccine issues today

One is related to our beloved AZ vaccine

Apparently a number of scientists are suspecting that other components than the vector or its payload are causing the issues. It can be the preservatives or it can be residual proteins from the vector creation process. The two possibilities are concerning, specially the last as it would point to something wrong in their quality control process. But the flip side of the coin is those problems might be fixable.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/04/do-preservative-and-stray-proteins-cause-rare-covid-19-vaccine-side-effect

 

The second is related to the Sputnik vaccine. Brazil has rejected it, citing lack of information, transparency and concerns about its safety. The WTF part is they found that the viral vectors in the second dose (a different vector than the first one) can reproduce. Yes, you are reading correctly. Somehow, those Ad5 virus were able to replicate. when they shouldn't! This problem was found in all samples examined.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/brazil-health-regulator-rejects-russia-s-sputnik-vaccine-1.5403539

There are few technical technical details at the moment. In my layman understanding of the things the part of the adenovirus genes that makes them able to reproduce is deleted and the code for the SARS-CoV-2 spike is inserted instead. If the adenovirus were able to replicate in the lab, they should have also ruined the cell cultures where they were grown. WTF!

 

 

Edited by rotting sea cow

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A bit more news regarding the Emergent plant that produced J&J and AZ vaccines

This one might interest you Bird.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/more-than-half-canadas-astrazeneca-vaccine-came-from-u-s-plant-accused-by-fda-of-quality-control-problems

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/21/health/fda-emergent-johnson--johnson-vaccine-bn/index.html

It seems that the FDA is keeping close watch of that plant.

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Regarding the Sputnik. I think it's fair to say they are having problems with the production of the booster shot (the Ad5 part of the vaccine). The signs are there for all the world to see. The news from Brazil are just the confirmation. First, we got the news of the "Sputnik Light", basically using only the prime shot (Ad26), much like the J&J vaccine. Second, there was in the news just yesterday that the interval between the shots can be increased up to three months to increase efficacy. It seems to me they are not being very transparent and using these announcements as way  to gain time.

They should just team up with CanSino (an Ad5 vaccine) and be done with it.

 

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