williamjm Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 On 12/17/2021 at 11:03 AM, Ran said: Looks like Chengdu is going to host the Worldcon in 2023, if reports are right. Much drama around this. They've now been confirmed as the winner by 2006 to 807 despite what seems to have been a late attempt to change the counting procedure to disqualify 3/4 of the Chinese votes for not having a postal address on the ballot paper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) Yeah. It's an interesting one because it seems clear that Discon administrators prevented the non-binding resolution to be implemented by the site selection administrator who initiated the resolution by requesting clarification on how to proceed. There shall be more fall out, I expect, in days to come. I will say that I suspect the answer for why so many lacked addresses is that reports are that university students were the great bulk of voters, and by all accounts groups of students pooled resources together so one of their number could vote (the cost of membership + site selection is very expensive by Chinese uni student standards) and I gather that student accommodations in China may not have postal addresses at all, or at least addresses parsable into standard address formats. ETA: At File 770, someone remarked that identity theft is a big concern in China and that that was the likely reason addresses were left off ballots. Edited December 18, 2021 by Ran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Kabong Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 21 minutes ago, williamjm said: They've now been confirmed as the winner by 2006 to 807 despite what seems to have been a late attempt to change the counting procedure to disqualify 3/4 of the Chinese votes for not having a postal address on the ballot paper. I saw some of that play out on twitter. That was nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/chengdu-china-guide-cmd/index.html 9 reasons to visit Chengdu when China reopens Ran 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 That's so timely that it's hard to believe it's coincidence, but it doesn't mention Worldcon at all so I guess it is. Neat. It makes Chengdu sound very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 And delicious, historical, book, arts and science oriented, nightlifey and tea housy, plus -- Pandas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Well I watched until the Dramatic Long Form presentation. The Old Guard? Wow. Watching the list of nominees I don't think I even voted this year, may have forgotten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 The full winner's list: Quote BEST NOVEL Network Effect, Martha Wells (Tor.com) BEST NOVELLA The Empress of Salt and Fortune, Nghi Vo (Tor.com) BEST NOVELETTE Two Truths and a Lie, Sarah Pinsker (Tor.com) BEST SHORT STORY “Metal Like Blood in the Dark”, T. Kingfisher (Uncanny Magazine, September/October 2020) BEST SERIES The Murderbot Diaries, Martha Wells (Tor.com) BEST RELATED WORK Beowulf: A New Translation, Maria Dahvana Headley (FSG) BEST GRAPHIC STORY OR COMIC Parable of the Sower: A Graphic Novel Adaptation, written by Octavia Butler, adapted by Damian Duffy, illustrated by John Jennings (Harry N. Abrams) BEST DRAMATIC PRESENTATION, LONG FORM The Old Guard, written by Greg Rucka, directed by Gina Prince-Bythewood (Netflix / Skydance Media) BEST DRAMATIC PRESENTATION, SHORT FORM The Good Place: Whenever You’re Ready, written and directed by Michael Schur (Fremulon / 3 Arts Entertainment / Universal Television, a division of Universal Studio Group) BEST EDITOR, SHORT FORM Ellen Datlow BEST EDITOR, LONG FORM Diana M. Pho BEST PROFESSIONAL ARTIST Rovina Cai BEST SEMIPROZINE FIYAH Magazine of Black Speculative Fiction, publisher Troy L. Wiggins, executive editor DaVaun Sanders, managing editor Eboni Dunbar, poetry editor Brandon O’Brien, reviews and social media Brent Lambert, art director L. D. Lewis, and the FIYAH Team. BEST FANZINE nerds of a feather, flock together, ed. Adri Joy, Joe Sherry, The G, and Vance Kotrla BEST FANCAST The Coode Street Podcast, presented by Jonathan Strahan and Gary K. Wolfe, Jonathan Strahan, producer BEST FAN WRITER Elsa Sjunneson BEST FAN ARTIST Sara Felix BEST VIDEO GAME Hades (Publisher and Developer: Supergiant Games) LODESTAR AWARD FOR BEST YOUNG ADULT BOOK (not a Hugo) A Wizard’s Guide to Defensive Baking, T. Kingfisher (Argyll Productions) ASTOUNDING AWARD FOR THE BEST NEW WRITER, SPONSORED BY DELL MAGAZINES (not a Hugo) Emily Tesh (2nd year of eligibility) I had not expected Hades to win the Video Game Award, as I thought the more mainstream The Last of Us: Part 2 or perhaps Animal Crossing would take it... but I gather that Hades was included in the voter's packet, which was very cool. (Also the fact that more people could actually play it if they did request a copy probably helped, which is probably why Animal Crossing was in second place) I am, of course, that good taste won out on the Best Related Works, and not just good taste, but something genuinely within the wheelhouse of what the award had actually been intended for for many years. The voting statistics can be found here (PDF). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 The best news for me is that The Coode Street Podcast finally won, it is very well deserved and well overdue. Piranesi not winning any genre awards is a shame though not surprising. Also nice to see Two Truths and a Lie win, it's an amazing story. Apparently the nomination statistics will be released tomorrow, these are much more interesting to me than the final voting stats, I am curious to know which works were close to being nominated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormond Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, David Selig said: Also nice to see Two Truths and a Lie win, it's an amazing story. Well then, I hope it's winning the Hugo will lead to it being published in paper for antideluvians like myself who don't do ebooks. Also of course very happy to see the Headley translation win. Edited December 19, 2021 by Ormond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Selig Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ormond said: Well then, I hope it's winning the Hugo will lead to it being published in paper for antideluvians like myself who don't do ebooks. It's already included in two recent anthologies which have paper versions - Best American Science Fiction and Fantasy 2021 and The Best Horror of the Year Volume Thirteen. Also, nice to see that Luhrs's idiotic rant against GRRM didn't win. Too bad it didn't finish below "No Award" though. Ran and Ormond 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Lots of griping about Hades (which you've been able to play since 2018) being eligible and Disco Elysium (which only came out in 2019 and got a substantial re-release and update in 2020) being not. That's re-legislating complaints from when the awards were announced, of course, but a sign that if the award is going to be made permanent, the rules need to be a bit clearer on why Early Access doesn't count towards eligibility and thorough reworkings of the game do. Looking at the stats, about as many people voted for the game awards as they do in other side-categories, so that argument seems to have been defeated. And the number of games on the longlist is quite impressive (the longlistees were Final Fantasy VII Remake, Ghost of Tsushima, Scents and Semiosis, Ori and the Will of the Wisps, Spider-Man: Miles Morales, Assassin's Creed: Valhalla, Cyberpunk 2077, The Luminous Underground, Kentucky Route Zero, Half-Life: Alyx and Star Wars: Squadrons). I think platform exclusivity is a huge problem though: Half-Life: Alyx may have done better if more than 1 in 150 gamers could have played it, for example, and Cyberpunk 2077 being unplayable on the systems a majority of people use seriously dented that game's chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Happy for Network Effect and the Murderbot Diaries. Fragile Bird and Teng Ai Hui 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 On 10/22/2021 at 3:39 AM, Lily Valley said: Yes. It's the "Lieutenant" "Warden" "Prince what's his face" "Babs" "Lady Pent" stuff I had to write down. I did manage to catch the counting bit. Very late reply, but you don't need to bother remembering Babs - fuck him, it's not like Ianthe cares about him either I utterly adore Ht9 as well, such a wild blend of wtf and hilarious. Read through it in no time and have listened to the audiobooks for both a couple of times - the lady performing them is fantastic. Highlight is probably the terrible teens, but her Ianthe drawl is great as well. As is Gideon for that matter. We do bones motherfucker! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deedles Posted February 9, 2022 Share Posted February 9, 2022 Despite not having gotten to DC I still kept my membership so can nominate for 2022. Any books I should try and get to before voting ends? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Hugo voting closes tomorrow so I've filled out the bits of the ballot where I have something to nominate. For Best Novel I went for: Bear Head by Adrian Tchaikovsky Shards of Earth by Adrian Tchaikovsky The Last Graduate by Naomi Novik The Fall of Babel by Josiah Bancroft The Galaxy and the Ground Within by Becky Chambers For Best Novella: What Abigail Did That Summer by Ben Aaronovitch Fugitive Telemetry by Martha Wells Knot of Shadows by Lois McMaster Bujold For Best Series: The Age of Madness by Joe Abercrombie The Books of Babel by Josiah Bancroft Rivers of London by Ben Aaronovitch Fragile Bird and dog-days 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 I wonder what it says about the state of things that the Hugo nominees were announced, and yet eight days later no one's posted about it. In any case, here they are. IlyaP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Less than a month out from the awards and no discussion to speak of since I listed the nominees. I find it interesting/troubling. Just an effect of the pademic making people feel disconnected from it? IlyaP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 (edited) I voted last night. I started reading from the Hugo package late and knew I wasn't going to get through them. Read 3 novels, and 3 novellas. So I categorized those and left the rest blank. I voted in the dramas categories. The three novels I read were in order of preference 1) Project Hail Mary 2) Light from Uncommon Stars and 3) A Master of Djinn. For the novellas, I was largely unimpressed - Becky Chambers's A Psalm for the Wild-built was extremely boring. I read Elder Race which was fine but hardly deserving of a Hugo. My preferred choice would be A Spindle Splintered, which initially felt like fan fiction but I came to enjoy it by the end. Edited August 16, 2022 by Corvinus85 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted August 8, 2022 Share Posted August 8, 2022 Light from Uncommon Stars is such a nice title. I think you meant "Elder Race". "Elder Ring" sounds like some sort of Elden Ring parody! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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