US Politics: Stamping out Chauvinism

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

31 minutes ago, Fury Resurrected said:

You still have time to be saved. This is exactly what happened with someone I am acquainted with and the victim was able to make it down a flight of stairs to a person who called 911 and wait for the ambulance. She required surgery, but she lived. You don’t bleed to death instantly.

For clarities sake, are you taking the position that if someone is lunging at another person with a knife that the use of force to stop the person lunging with the knife is only appropriate after they have stabbed someone?

[Mudguard]

2 minutes ago, TrueMetis said:

And if I punch you in the nose right I can kill you instantly. Probably shouldn't be basing how dangerous we consider things on the most extreme cases.

And plenty of people can survive gunshot wounds.  Doesn't mean that shooting someone isn't extremely dangerous.  Same thing with trying to stab someone.  Both would be classified as assault with a deadly weapon, and in the US, preventing that with the use of deadly force would at least be legally justified.  

[Martell Spy]

House passes bill that would grant DC statehood

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/22/politics/dc-statehood-house-vote/index.html

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(CNN)The House of Representatives voted on Thursday to pass a bill that would grant statehood to Washington, DC, a Democratic priority that faces obstacles to final passage even with the party now in control of both chambers of Congress and the White House.

The legislation now faces an uphill fight in the Senate, where it is unlikely to get enough Republican support to clear a 60-vote threshold for passage.

HR 51 was introduced by Democratic Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton, DC's nonvoting House member and a longtime advocate for statehood.
"With HR 51, Congress is taking a significant step to enfranchise the people of DC and empower them to participate fully in our democracy," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said of the legislation on Wednesday. "Again, we're excited that we will pass it. We will celebrate, and we hope that momentum will help it pass in the Senate so that the President can sign it into law," the California Democrat said.

 

 

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

4 minutes ago, Martell Spy said:

House passes bill that would grant DC statehood

https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/22/politics/dc-statehood-house-vote/index.html

 

Will Manchin back DC Statehood?  Without him how will Democratic Senators even muster a simple majority?

[Fez]

16 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Will Manchin back DC Statehood?  Without him how will Democratic Senators even muster a simple majority?

He said this morning that he hadn't really thought about it yet, there was too much else on his plate.

I don't see any Republican backing this, so there is no majority without him. But also, the filibuster is in the way too. It seems to me that statehood admissions are one of those things that shouldn't be subject to the filibuster, like armed force authorizations and trade deals (and reconciliation, but that's also its own weird thing).

[OnionAhaiReborn]

Can anyone imagine a world where Republicans had the opportunity to add a guaranteed Republican Representative and two guaranteed Republican Senators and they were passing up on it?

It's just incredibly frustrating knowing that Joe Manchin and a small handful of Democratic Senators are all that stands in the way of doing the right thing- providing Congressional representation for hundreds of thousands of disenfranchised American citizens- and getting to do it in a way that is plainly politically advantageous. 

[Myshkin]

Breaking QNews! And it’s big (and totally real):

A military tribunal has convicted Hillary Clinton of murdering Seth Rich, Vince Foster, and Antonin Scalia, as well as countless children who she first skinned alive in order to milk their adrenochrome. She will be hanged on live TV on April 26. Mike Lindell’s social media platform (which so should be called PillowTalk) will launch to coincide with this historic event. Also, Donald Trump has chosen July 4 as a fitting day for his triumphant return to office. 

[Fragile Bird]

8 minutes ago, Trishkin said:

Breaking QNews! And it’s big (and totally real):

A military tribunal has convicted Hillary Clinton of murdering Seth Rich, Vince Foster, and Antonin Scalia, as well as countless children who she first skinned alive in order to milk their adrenochrome. She will be hanged on live TV on April 26. Mike Lindell’s social media platform (which so should be called PillowTalk) will launch to coincide with this historic event. Also, Donald Trump has chosen July 4 as a fitting day for his triumphant return to office. 

Awwww, you just lightened up my day, thanks!

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

17 minutes ago, Trishkin said:

Breaking QNews! And it’s big (and totally real):

A military tribunal has convicted Hillary Clinton of murdering Seth Rich, Vince Foster, and Antonin Scalia, as well as countless children who she first skinned alive in order to milk their adrenochrome. She will be hanged on live TV on April 26. Mike Lindell’s social media platform (which so should be called PillowTalk) will launch to coincide with this historic event. Also, Donald Trump has chosen July 4 as a fitting day for his triumphant return to office. 

How many times can these idiots kick the can down the road?  Seriously.

[Myshkin]

1 minute ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

How many times can these idiots kick the can down the road?  Seriously.

Listen, they’re already making excuses for why it might seem like Hillary Clinton was not executed on live TV on April 26. It of course has to do with Big Media burying the story. Though Trump might bypass them all by broadcasting the execution on the Emergency Broadcast System. Also, if you think Hillary hasn’t been executed because you see her on TV after April 26, the QAnoners have very helpfully listed all the minor ways in which she differs from her official body double (one of which apparently is that Clinton has prominent buck teeth while her body double does not).

[maarsen]

1 minute ago, Trishkin said:

Listen, they’re already making excuses for why it might seem like Hillary Clinton was not executed on live TV on April 26. It of course has to do with Big Media burying the story. Though Trump might bypass them all by broadcasting the execution on the Emergency Broadcast System. Also, if you think Hillary hasn’t been executed because you see her on TV after April 26, the QAnoners have very helpfully listed all the minor ways in which she differs from her official body double (one of which apparently is that Clinton has prominent buck teeth while her body double does not).

Will Elvis finally get a job impersonating Hillary?

[Fury Resurrected]

3 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

For clarities sake, are you taking the position that if someone is lunging at another person with a knife that the use of force to stop the person lunging with the knife is only appropriate after they have stabbed someone?

Not use of any force but use of deadly force, yes.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

9 minutes ago, Fury Resurrected said:

Not use of any force but use of deadly force, yes.

Okay, how else could the officer have prevented her from stabbing this woman? She was out of his personal reach and the reach of a Taser (per Ran (and if the leads didn’t connect the taser would have done nothing)).

[Fury Resurrected]

17 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Okay, how else could the officer have prevented her from stabbing this woman? She was out of his personal reach and the reach of a Taser (per Ran (and if the leads didn’t connect the taser would have done nothing)).

Run up and tackle her. More likely than not nothing would have happened that couldn’t be fixed with stitches and everyone lives. They should have a mandate to preserve life and if they want credit for “putting their lives on the line” this is how to earn it.

[Week]

18 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

Okay, how else could the officer have prevented her from stabbing this woman? She was out of his personal reach and the reach of a Taser (per Ran (and if the leads didn’t connect the taser would have done nothing)).

You're assuming that 1) She was going to stab her 2) the knife and her strength were sufficient to inflict grevious harm 3) the police were doing a good job up until that point where a domestic incident escalated to their killing of a kid. 

What recently gives you any confidence in the police? Confidence in police treatment of Black people?

Missing the forest from the trees and really callously, "the shooting was justified" statements when a kid is dead. Have some humanity please. Her life had value whether you think she deserved to be killed by agents of the state or not.

[Week]

More in "mistakes as a teenager ruin the rest of your life (or end it)". 

 

 

[Fury Resurrected]

4 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

For clarities sake, are you taking the position that if someone is lunging at another person with a knife that the use of force to stop the person lunging with the knife is only appropriate after they have stabbed someone?

Also- I know a (white, obviously) man who at 16, stabbed his stepfather 12 times and the police officer who tried to pull him off once. He’s alive and free today. That’s how these situations should go.

[Myshkin]

11 minutes ago, Week said:

Missing the forest from the trees and really callously, "the shooting was justified" statements when a kid is dead. Have some humanity please. Her life had value whether you think she deserved to be killed by agents of the state or not.

The life of the person she was trying to stab has value as well. A knife is a deadly weapon, and it’s weird to me that people here are trying to argue otherwise. We need to be able to differentiate between cops on power trips murdering people and cops killing someone who poses an imminent threat to another’s life. 

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

21 minutes ago, Fury Resurrected said:

Run up and tackle her. More likely than not nothing would have happened that couldn’t be fixed with stitches and everyone lives. They should have a mandate to preserve life and if they want credit for “putting their lives on the line” this is how to earn it.

And had she stabbed the woman she was attacking before he could get to her?

[Week]

3 minutes ago, Trishkin said:

The life of the person she was trying to stab has value as well. A knife is a deadly weapon, and it’s weird to me that people here are trying to argue otherwise. We need to be able to differentiate between cops on power trips murdering people and cops killing someone who poses an imminent threat to another’s life. 

So the people in that neighborhood must be thrilled and thankful for the life "saved", right? Any evidence of that? Or are they furious that someone asked for help and the police left with a body bag?