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2 minutes ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

if I were on a jury (which I would never be due to my undergrad degree in sociology)

I've always thought sociologists should be barred from jury duty too.

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4 minutes ago, DMC said:

No.  Any discipline established by a bunch of French eggheads and Karl Marx is inherently evil.  And filthy.

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Of course it's sarcasm.

 

Ah okay then.

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4 hours ago, Ser Reptitious said:

Aren't juries sequestered throughout the trial? If so, how could it be argued that her actions played a part in their verdict? 

Also, for the love of God (or whatever), can we just savior a moment of victory for humanity before we get all pessimistic (and turning the guns on each other) again? Like, one day, for example? Sheesh! 

I think you meant "savor". :)

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21 minutes ago, DMC said:

No.  Any discipline established by a bunch of French eggheads and Karl Marx is inherently evil.  And filthy.

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Of course it's sarcasm.

 

RIGHT? Lol. I bet you’re all shocked that I’m a filthy capitalist literally working for The Man :rofl:

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2 hours ago, karaddin said:

It's not full blown riots yet, but cops have already gone and killed another kid in the couple of hours after the verdict. 15 year old girl calls them for help and they shoot her. Columbus PD.

ETA: Exactly what happened still seems a bit jumbled, but an actual report with the early accounts is

https://www.thedailybeast.com/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-a-person-as-derek-chauvin-guilty-verdict-comes-down?ref=scroll

So Columbus PD has done press conference on this already, recording here (the bodycam footage they play starts at 6 minutes and 40 seconds; and WARNING the shooting is shown):

 

 

Less than 10 seconds after the police arrive, someone is charging someone else with a knife in hand. I don't know enough about tasers to say whether that would've been more appropriate, but from the footage it certainly appears that the police had literal seconds to act to stop an attempted murder from occurring.

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12 minutes ago, Fez said:

So Columbus PD has done press conference on this already, recording here (the bodycam footage they play starts at 6 minutes and 40 seconds; and WARNING the shooting is shown):

 

 

Less than 10 seconds after the police arrive, someone is charging someone else with a knife in hand. I don't know enough about tasers to say whether that would've been more appropriate, but from the footage it certainly appears that the police had literal seconds to act to stop an attempted murder from occurring.

I think use of force here was proportional to what what was going on

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17 minutes ago, Fez said:

So Columbus PD has done press conference on this already, recording here (the bodycam footage they play starts at 6 minutes and 40 seconds; and WARNING the shooting is shown):

 

 

Less than 10 seconds after the police arrive, someone is charging someone else with a knife in hand. I don't know enough about tasers to say whether that would've been more appropriate, but from the footage it certainly appears that the police had literal seconds to act to stop an attempted murder from occurring.

I have absolutely no comment on that video, but “attempted murder” was something my neighbor’s fiancée wasn’t charged with when she went after Neighbor (my ex boyfriend) with a 10 inch steak knife. Dude had his salivary glands severed. 

In fact, they got married two months after. 

Not speaking on police actions, here, just the overly dramatic statement (IMO) “had literal seconds to stop an attempted murder”.

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1 hour ago, Ormond said:

I think you meant "savor". :)

Way to be a grammar Nazi on Hitler's birthday. :P

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Just now, Chataya de Fleury said:

I have absolutely no comment on that video, but “attempted murder” was something my neighbor’s fiancée wasn’t charged with when she went after Neighbor (my ex boyfriend) with a 10 inch steak knife. Dude had his salivary glands severed. 

In fact, they got married two months after. 

Not speaking on police actions, here, just the overly dramatic statement (IMO) “had literal seconds to stop an attempted murder”.

From the officer’s perspective it very well may be, even if the intent from the girl was merely to hurt the person she was attempting to stab or cut that could still lead to that person dying.

The story you’ve just described seems horrific example of domestic abuse with a man staying with his abuser

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8 minutes ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

I have absolutely no comment on that video, but “attempted murder” was something my neighbor’s fiancée wasn’t charged with when she went after Neighbor (my ex boyfriend) with a 10 inch steak knife. Dude had his salivary glands severed. 

In fact, they got married two months after. 

Not speaking on police actions, here, just the overly dramatic statement (IMO) “had literal seconds to stop an attempted murder”.

The victim was trying to stab someone else with a knife when she was shot. Without knowing all the facts in the lead up to the moment, it's impossible to know what, if anything, she might've been charged with if the police had been able to arrest her instead. However, considering the facts as the police knew them when the shooting occurred, I think its reasonable for them to think that an attempted murder was occurring.

ETA: And to be clear, that's my language choice. All the police have said is that the incident is under investigation.

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2 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

From the officer’s perspective it very well may be, even if the intent from the girl was merely to hurt the person she was attempting to stab or cut that could still lead to that person dying.

The story you’ve just described seems horrific example of domestic abuse with a man staying with his abuser

Yeah, and he literally was the breadwinner and the paycheck, so he had ZERO reasons to “stay with his abuser” other than his own f—ed up psychological bs.

After all, he broke up with me for Attempted Knife Murderer. 

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12 minutes ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

Yeah, and he literally was the breadwinner and the paycheck, so he had ZERO reasons to “stay with his abuser” other than his own f—ed up psychological bs.

After all, he broke up with me for Attempted Knife Murderer. 

A steak knife dodged for you!

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8 hours ago, Karlbear said:

I'm less angry given this verdict, but I'm still really fucking angry about it. 

Fair enough. I can understand that sentiment.

4 hours ago, Ormond said:

I think you meant "savor". :)

Touché! :)

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7 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said:

Glad to see that I’m not the only one seeing a performative wokeness and cynibear. Although performative wokeness certainly isn’t limited to  boarder. 

How is it "performative wokeness" to not expect this to change policing in America very much?

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Is the death penalty typically the punishment for attempted murder? Even 1st degree murder?

Disarm police. Everything looks like a nail to a hammer. Use of firearms should be rare among public safety officers.

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1 hour ago, Week said:

Disarm police. Everything looks like a nail to a hammer. Use of firearms should be rare among public safety officers.

It's impossible to disarm the police when there are more guns than people in our country.

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1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said:

It's impossible to disarm the police when there are more guns than people in our country.

Impossible? Very unlikely, sure, but not unpossible, Ralphie. I would like to see a HUGE reduction in firearms available to police, seizure of all former military and quasi-military gear and vehicles, etc.

This response also ignores the point - violence by the state (even if some people agree it is justified) should be terrifying and only used in the rarest of instances with the appropriate accountability and transparency afterwards. It should be STRESSFUL for police after they have killed someone - maybe they'll learn to deescalate and kill fewer people.

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