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Ser Scot A Ellison
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Jesus. East Sussex police pava-sprayed, batoned and tasered a 93 year old man in a care home with dementia, who died. They’re being investigated for gross misconduct and manslaughter.

He apparently had a knife, but talk about overkill.

https://news.sky.com/story/police-pepper-sprayed-then-tasered-one-legged-93-year-old-man-who-later-died-prompting-investigation-12665534

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2 minutes ago, Derfel Cadarn said:

@BigFatCoward

Jesus. East Sussex police pava-sprayed, batoned and tasered. 93 year old man in a care home with dementia, who died. They’re being investigated for gross misconduct and manslaughter.

He apparently had a knife, but talk about overkill.

https://news.sky.com/story/police-pepper-sprayed-then-tasered-one-legged-93-year-old-man-who-later-died-prompting-investigation-12665534

Read it earlier.

FFS He was in a wheelchair, just walk behind him and disarm him. 'Maybe' give his arm a little tap with the baton to get him to drop the knife. 

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1 hour ago, Tywin et al. said:

At least we're not the Philippines? 

At least they pretend to kill the bad guys

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57 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

That story is pretty big news in my locality.  

That's terrible - I'm glad it's getting notice. I mean, this is unreformable -- I have no idea how it's possible to retrain and restrain police. Getting rid of QI is imperative. That - alone with thuggish union support - allows police in the US to act with impunity.

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Just now, Week said:

That's terrible - I'm glad it's getting notice. I mean, this is unreformable -- I have no idea how it's possible to retrain and restrain police. Getting rid of QI is imperative. That - alone with thuggish union support - allows police in the US to act with impunity.

There are few “police unions” in SC.

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22 hours ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said:

There are few “police unions” in SC.

And anyways, unions per se are not…at all…the problem, especially in a pro-authoritarian/socialist-phobic society like the US where a few years back less than 10% of the workforce was unionized but somehow unions are still partially to blame for everything, rinse, repeat. 

Police unions are just doing what unions are supposed to do. The issue is that unions are designed to counter oppressive authority, but in the case of police they are party to authority, an extension of it, and therefore aren’t really pushing back against much except for the outrage of the citizenry re: their actions. Yes, there are still some internal instances of need, but the majority of police union actions are protecting abuse of authority rather than countering it. Not sure how to fix it, though. 

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Yes, police unions are unique from every other union in that they protect their members from accountability and criminal penalty. It breaks a fundamental assumption trusted in, foolishly so, with public authorities.

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13 hours ago, Week said:

Yes, police unions are unique from every other union in that they protect their members from accountability and criminal penalty. It breaks a fundamental assumption trusted in, foolishly so, with public authorities.

Plus they are legally allowed to use violence pretty much whenever they want.  A function of the police, historically, has been to use violence against labor movements and keep unions in line.   

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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/08/breonna-taylor-department-of-justice-indictment-louisville-cops-misconduct.html

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.... Together these incidents reveal one of the most glaring problems in policing today. We have written cops a proverbial blank check in terms of their discretion in the execution of their duties under the guise that they are legitimately engaged in ensuring public safety. But as these incidents show, the police routinely fail to hold up their end of the bargain—and then lie to cover their failures. Too often, the cost of this corrupted arrangement is paid for in the loss of lives.

The indictment of the cops that killed Taylor is unique in that it offers the public a peek into typically opaque law enforcement decisions. As the DOJ noted, the “Place-Based Investigations Unit falsified the affidavit used to obtain the search warrant of Ms. Taylor’s home.” To put it another way, the police had no real reason to be at Taylor’s house. They were not acting in the interest of public safety when they broke into her home in the middle of the night without knocking and shot her to death. Instead, the officers who authorized the warrant “knew that the affidavit contained false and misleading statements, omitted material facts, relied on stale information, and was not supported by probable cause.” It was the cops, we now know, not Taylor or her boyfriend, who broke the law and need to be brought to justice.  ....

To which we must add, when called out for both failure -- and even deliberate breaking of the law on their parts -- and the lying about it -- the snowflakes throw hissy fits, cry, threaten, pout, and walk off the job all together.

 

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  • 2 weeks later...

That money should be invested in training. And not SWAT, cosplay training, but the sort of real training that other countries require. Two years doesn’t seem like too much to me to be able to carry a weapon and enforce the law. 

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On 5/22/2021 at 2:59 PM, Larry of the Lake said:

Why isn't BLM doing more to reach out to white supremacists?  How are they ever going to change hearts and minds?

Larry of the Lake -- I found this thoughtful (in subtext). The common view of Hearts and Minds as a theory is that pacification can be achieved through influence; however, in practice, it's most usefully applied by way of coercion and violence. Thus, BLM success would have been more effective through a practical (Necks and Guts) application.

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