US Politics: Biden Hood - Prince of Plebs

[Martell Spy]

Republicans jockey to replace Cheney as McCarthy moves to boot her
The House Republican leader said lawmakers are concerned about the GOP conference chair’s “ability to carry out the job.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/04/mccarthy-gop-cheney-485316

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House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy gave his strongest signal yet on Tuesday that he would support a new attempt to oust GOP Conference Chair Liz Cheney from her leadership post — and potential successors are already angling to replace her.

The California Republican said his members have voiced concerns about Cheney’s “ability to carry out” her leadership duties — a stark shift from McCarthy’s public silence earlier this year when House conservatives mounted a failed bid to dislodge Cheney from her role after she voted to impeach former President Donald Trump for inciting the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection.

 

 

[Zorral]

2 hours ago, Fez said:

the compromise and what it represented (a political concession from southern slaveholders to northern abolitionists to weaken southern power in Congress) was good.

It was just the opposite; the northern states conceded this to the South, and did they crow about it at the time.  See the letters home and to each other.  Particularly the South Carolinians.  Because without it the north's white population far exceeded that of of the slave states, so the north would have consistently higher number of Reps in the House w/o the clause.  With the clause the southern states had parity and beyond.

 

 

[Fez]

Just now, Zorral said:

It was just the opposite; the northern states conceded this to the South, and did they crow about it at the time.  See the letters home and to each other.  Particularly the South Carolinians.

 

Under the articles of confederation it was a northern concession to the south, since the main effect it had then was reducing state tax obligations.

But when it was adopted again for the constitution it was a southern concession to the north, since the main effect was reducing southern representation in the House. Southern delegates had been pushing to count slaves as whole persons for this purpose.

[DMC]

Zorral is right, it was undoubtedly more a "concession" by the north to the south than vice versa.  Frankly it was a concession to the south to count them at all.  Even the Virginia plan didn't count slaves:

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2. Resolved therefore that the rights of suffrage in the National Legislature ought to be proportioned to the Quotas of contribution, or to the number of free inhabitants, as the one or the other rule may seem best in different cases.

Emphasis mine.  Anyway, citing the Articles is entirely moot considering the whole point of the convention was to abolish and replace the Articles.

[Varysblackfyre321]

So apparently one of the Chauvin jurors not only seemed to have had  significant prior knowledge before the case, but actually participated in a protest. This seems like really good grounds to appeal.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/chauvin-juror-defends-participation-washington-protest-77472635

[Kalbear]

11 minutes ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

So apparently one of the Chauvin jurors not only seemed to have had  significant prior knowledge before the case, but actually participated in a protest. This seems like really good grounds to appeal.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/chauvin-juror-defends-participation-washington-protest-77472635

Pretty sure it's not; it doesn't mean that you're inherently going to be biased, and taking people who have NO opinions on events like this is itself a massive form of bias (as the judge pointed out). 

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

It was literally impossible to live in Hennepin County and not know what happened.

[Fez]

22 minutes ago, DMC said:

Zorral is right, it was undoubtedly more a "concession" by the north to the south than vice versa.  Frankly it was a concession to the south to count them at all.  Even the Virginia plan didn't count slaves:

Emphasis mine.  Anyway, citing the Articles is entirely moot considering the whole point of the convention was to abolish and replace the Articles.

I mentioned the Articles because that's the time when Zorral was right. By the time of the Constitutional Convention the situation had flipped and it was a southern concession.

The idea of the compromise was already in place because it existed from the Articles. But when Gouverneur Morris led the push to not count slaves at all and opened the whole can of worms, Charles Pickney started pushing for slaves to get counted as whole people for the census and forced votes on it. Eventually they agreed to bring back the compromise. It was a very eventful day in July in 1787.

[DMC]

5 minutes ago, Fez said:

By the time of the Constitutional Convention the situation had flipped and it was a southern concession.

No, the situation had not "flipped," at least not in the way you're describing it.  The 3/5ths compromise is obviously entirely tied to the Connecticut compromise - which is why the Articles are, again, irrelevant.  The whole damn thing starts with the idea of proportional representation, instead of each state having an equal vote.  If you read the accounts from the convention, it's ahistorical to say the south "conceded" on the point of counting slaves.  It's quite clearly the opposite.

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

Sorry @Fez, but overall @DMC is correct. Specific details may provide nuance that makes the end result not so absolute, but it's wrong to say the South was the side that had to concede. 

[Varysblackfyre321]

On 5/2/2021 at 9:01 AM, Fragile Bird said:

I assume the Republicans have the same attitude to daycare as the Conservatives in Canada have.

Children should be brought up by their families, not by strangers. Strangers will fill their heads with heaven only knows what kind of heretical crap. Like the way universities twist and destroy their good children once they get there.

It should be noted it’s mother’s who’d be expected to shoulder this.

Universal Day care helps helps elevate the stress of single parents who are mostly women and make it easier for women to stay in the workplace.

 

Also this emotional appeal seems quite ludicrous in that it could as easily used for any child who isn’t made to be homeschooled.

[IheartIheartTesla]

The real reason is they are worried such a measure will be insanely popular and may even be enough to overcome partisanship and almost cement Biden's 2nd term.

[Ormond]

3 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

Universal Day care helps helps elevate the stress of single parents who are mostly women and make it easier for women to stay in the workplace.

 

 

I think you wrote the opposite of what you mean. If day care makes it easier for women to stay in the workplace, it must alleviate the stress of single parents, not elevate it.

[Tongue Stuck to Wall]

16 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

So apparently one of the Chauvin jurors not only seemed to have had  significant prior knowledge before the case, but actually participated in a protest. This seems like really good grounds to appeal.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/chauvin-juror-defends-participation-washington-protest-77472635

How much of a correlation do you see between the dismissal of Chauvin's charges and Trump winning when he runs again in 2024.  I'm thinking 58.5% of the popular vote and at least 480+ EC votes.  Time to pack it in.

[Zorral]

Defense lawyers for those indicted for the January 6th Capitol Battle are being given tours of the battle scene, a/k/a crime scene.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/05/us/politics/capitol-riot-tour.html?

This is a fascinating historical commentary of POTUSes through the administrations and the variety of stories they want to display about the nation:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/05/05/arts/design/oval-office-art.html?

As you all know, the NYT is paywalled.

 

[maarsen]

18 hours ago, Varysblackfyre321 said:

So apparently one of the Chauvin jurors not only seemed to have had  significant prior knowledge before the case, but actually participated in a protest. This seems like really good grounds to appeal.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/chauvin-juror-defends-participation-washington-protest-77472635

1 juror alone can forestall a conviction, but all 12 need to agree for a not guilty verdict.

[dbergkvist]

4 hours ago, Tongue Stuck to Wall said:

How much of a correlation do you see between the dismissal of Chauvin's charges and Trump winning when he runs again in 2024.  I'm thinking 58.5% of the popular vote and at least 480+ EC votes.  Time to pack it in.

Sorry for not being an American and therefore not entirely grasping the legal system, but why would there be an acquittal? If it is determined that this juror did lie and/or was biased etc to the extent that this leads to a mistral, doesn't that just mean that the trial has to be done again? And given the fact that 11 out of 11 the non-biased jurors convicted him, isn't the likely outcome of a new trial that he'll be convicted again?

[ThinkerX]

9 hours ago, IheartIheartTesla said:

The real reason is they are worried such a measure will be insanely popular and may even be enough to overcome partisanship and almost cement Biden's 2nd term.

nope.  No 2nd term for Biden.  

No Trump 2024, either.

[Mr. Chatywin et al.]

2024 is a long ways out, but there's no reason to assume Biden can't win reelection. He's basically going to get three big spending bills through which will be popular while Republicans will continue to be at each other's throats trying to out batshit one another. They'll probably do okay in 2022, but that's about it at this point.

[ThinkerX]

meanwhile, in actual news, the Facebook Court upheld banning Trump - but punted the final decision back to the company with a six month deadline.  

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/facebook-ban-hits-trump-where-it-hurts-messaging-and-money/ar-BB1gozOL?ocid=ob-fb-enus-580&fbclid=IwAR31aTLPv8s8b_ULtrHSo-dXRZ0Hkf1qsxJcVcSVqUlkOz3vEg1TNtzdL3I

 

The decision by Facebook on Wednesday to keep former President Donald J. Trump off its platform could have significant consequences for his political operation as he tries to remain the leader of the Republican Party, thwarting his ability to amplify his message to tens of millions of followers and hampering his fund-raising ability.