Mrstrategy Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 What are the Strongest castles in westeros outside of Kings landing Maegor holdfast/Red keep and Lord Paramount castles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I'd say either RR or Harrenhal, depending on when you are asking in the timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aejohn the Conqueroo Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Harrenhall is Strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targaryeninkingslanding Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 The Dreadfort is apparently really strong. They were once the seat of kings and are now paramount so yeah. Moat Cailin when attacked from the south. The Twins are also a pain to get by which is why Old Walder Frey was able to negotiate for Robbs hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaenara Belarys Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 The Eyrie, Dragonstone, the Twins.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvus Black Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Harrenhal, Moat Cailin, the Dreadfort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaenara Belarys Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Just now, Corvus Black said: Harrenhal, Moat Cailin, the Dreadfort. Moat Cailin can hardly be called a castle. It's just a few towers that are vulnerable to the north anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvus Black Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jaenara Belarys said: Moat Cailin can hardly be called a castle. It's just a few towers that are vulnerable to the north anyhow. And yet a castle it is. One yet to be breached by any army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaenara Belarys Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Corvus Black said: And yet a castle it is. One yet to be breached by any army. True, I suppose that Ramsay didn't technically "take" it. But just because it hasn't doesn't mean it will. Any army could do what Robb was planning to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I don't think Harrenhal can be considered a particularly strong castle. It's a white elephant, far too large for its lords to effectively garrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Bolt Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 37 minutes ago, Colonel Green said: I don't think Harrenhal can be considered a particularly strong castle. It's a white elephant, far too large for its lords to effectively garrison. But HH is so huge that people living there should be able to grow at least some food and as long local garrison has access to any boats they could use those either for fishing or moving supplies and troops via Gods Eye. So any siege of HH should fail. Besides that castle has massive walls so any attacker who tries to storm it should lose many men. But problem with HH is same than with Winterfell both of those are large enough that they should have population of large city but they only seem to include enough people for small village. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nittanian Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1160 Quote That one is from me personally (it is a bit of burning issue for me because it debunked my favourite theory ;)), but - was Tywin really obligingly marching into Robb's trap when Edmure stopped him at the Red Fork? Did he really count on Lorch and Hoat with their IIRC 300 men holding Harrenhal and the northern prisoners in his absence? Harrenhal is an immensely strong castle, and a garrison of three hundred is quite sizeable in medieval terms. Ser Amory =should= have been able to hold it. Lord Tywin likely thought that Roose Bolton might descend on the castle and besiege it, in which case Lorch could likely have held out for half a year or longer. The wild card here was Vargo Hoat changing sides. Harrenhal has fallen several times over the last three centuries, but usually because of treachery or dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 On 5/20/2021 at 12:37 PM, Mrstrategy said: What are the Strongest castles in westeros outside of Kings landing Maegor holdfast/Red keep and Lord Paramount castles? The Twins ain't bad. Hightower neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 19 hours ago, Corvus Black said: And yet a castle it is. One yet to be breached by any army. The thing about that is, nobody has tried it in thousands of years. It's mostly sunk into the mid now. Maybe it was good against the petty kings and even the Vale lords, but I wonder how it would fair against the combined might of the sixth southern kingdoms under one ruler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Warning Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 3 hours ago, John Suburbs said: The thing about that is, nobody has tried it in thousands of years. It's mostly sunk into the mid now. Maybe it was good against the petty kings and even the Vale lords, but I wonder how it would fair against the combined might of the sixth southern kingdoms under one ruler? It'd likely be as effective, the causeway is the fundamental problem for the attacker rather than the fortress itself. They can't really get enough men and material up the road at once to make taking those towers practical and beyond that what are they gonna do if an army just sits on northern end of the causeway. Barring the Moat being completely undefended it'd probably always be more practical to make a short seaborne landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 On 5/21/2021 at 5:38 PM, Trigger Warning said: It'd likely be as effective, the causeway is the fundamental problem for the attacker rather than the fortress itself. They can't really get enough men and material up the road at once to make taking those towers practical and beyond that what are they gonna do if an army just sits on northern end of the causeway. Barring the Moat being completely undefended it'd probably always be more practical to make a short seaborne landing. Yeah, I was going to mention that. If it's still too tough to go through, just go around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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