Mrstrategy Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 Why do the Frey get away with no or minimum support to the winning side in Robert and Greyjoy rebellions without being punished by its Lord Paramount or King? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Robert was always an overly forgiving man. He was far more interested in making friends and avoiding awkwardness getting in the way of his rampant hedonism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 They had plausible deniability during Robert's Rebellion in addition to being RR's most powerful bannerman. They weren't Robert's enemy nor were they his ally. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Given that their peers did ally with the crown, their lack of action seems less egregious than it would for, say, the Dustins to withhold all their men for Rob. As to the Greyjoy Rebellion, well we don't know of any specific RL house who participated except for Mallister, who was directly attacked by the IB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floki of the Ironborn Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 6 hours ago, Universal Sword Donor said: As to the Greyjoy Rebellion, well we don't know of any specific RL house who participated except for Mallister, who was directly attacked by the IB. We know of other houses that took part. They're listed here: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Greyjoy's_Rebellion#:~:text=Greyjoy's Rebellion or the Greyjoy Rebellion was an,before the beginning of A Game of Thrones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The hairy bear Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 There's no reason to assume that the Freys didn't do their part helping Robert to crush the Greyjoy Rebellion. The fact that it hasn't been mentioned doesn't mean they weren't there. As for Robert's Rebellion, let's remind that the official story was that Walder Frey sent their troops to the Trident to fight on the rebel's side, but they were late. It's dubious, of course, but when plenty of other houses in the Riverlands fought for Aerys, it's not the Freys the ones you'd turn to to make a public example. All that said, I wouldn't agree with the OP when he claims that the Freys "got away" with it. Lord Walder is always complaining that in spite of House Frey being a very old and wealthy house, he has troubles finding good matches for his offspring, and he is often shunned or ridiculed (Hoster did not attend Walder's wedding, Jon Arryn refused to foster Walder's grandsons, his offer to foster Robert Arryn was ignored,....). Losing the ability to make good matches and establish alliances with other houses is not an insignificant punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 6 hours ago, Floki of the Ironborn said: We know of other houses that took part. They're listed here: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Greyjoy's_Rebellion#:~:text=Greyjoy's Rebellion or the Greyjoy Rebellion was an,before the beginning of A Game of Thrones. And on that list is only House Mallister .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvus Black Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Support is support. Whether they were late or not, House Frey sent troops to the Trident in support of Robert. As for the Greyjoy Rebellion we don't have enough information to say one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon Claude Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Universal Sword Donor said: And on that list is only House Mallister .... I looked at it and I saw Houses Bywayer, Mormont, Clegane, Bolton, Payne, Redwyne, Baratheon, Stark, and Lannister. Plus there was also Barristan Selmy, though he doesn’t represent his house, so that doesn’t count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Universal Sword Donor Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 Just now, Canon Claude said: I looked at it and I saw Houses Bywayer, Mormont, Clegane, Bolton, Payne, Redwyne, Baratheon, Stark, and Lannister. Plus there was also Barristan Selmy, though he doesn’t represent his house, so that doesn’t count. And I was specifically talking about Riverland houses, as this is a thread about the Frey’s and nonparticipation in wars. It’s common knowledge that the WL and the North fought in the GJ rebellion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 15 hours ago, Mrstrategy said: Why do the Frey get away with no or minimum support to the winning side in Robert and Greyjoy rebellions without being punished by its Lord Paramount or King? They weren't punished because they did not take up arms against their king. But they weren't rewarded either, particularly with marriages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loose Bolt Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 10 hours ago, The hairy bear said: Lord Walder is always complaining that in spite of House Frey being a very old and wealthy house, he has troubles finding good matches for his offspring, and he is often shunned or ridiculed (Hoster did not attend Walder's wedding, Jon Arryn refused to foster Walder's grandsons, his offer to foster Robert Arryn was ignored,....). Losing the ability to make good matches and establish alliances with other houses is not an insignificant punishment. I assume that major reason for lack of good matches for his offspring was that most of them would have inherited "nothing". After all Stevron was heir of the Twins and so any Freyling who was not his child would be very poor as soon as Lord Walder would have died. So any Frey from different branches would have had very low value in marriage markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon Claude Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Loose Bolt said: I assume that major reason for lack of good matches for his offspring was that most of them would have inherited "nothing". After all Stevron was heir of the Twins and so any Freyling who was not his child would be very poor as soon as Lord Walder would have died. So any Frey from different branches would have had very low value in marriage markets. Kind of ironic, given that Stevron would have supported his family. Walder taught him all about loyalty to kin, even Merrett was sure that Stevron would have looked after his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James West Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 On 5/24/2021 at 7:46 PM, Mrstrategy said: Why do the Frey get away with no or minimum support to the winning side in Robert and Greyjoy rebellions without being punished by its Lord Paramount or King? They were too big and powerful to punish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walda Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 They were not fighting for the Targaryens. When they arrived, Robert had been badly wounded and his army wasn't keen to rally for another, more pointless battle after the Trident. Ned and his Northerners had probably headed to King's Landing before the Freys turned up. I'm guessing the other Riverlands houses were wanting to return home by then, and they didn't want the armies of the North and East and Stormlands living off their land any longer than they absolutely must. Hoster Tully might mock Lord Walder as 'the late Lord Frey' but he would want the causeway to the North accessible from the Green Fork as well as the Ruby Ford. The Freys would get none of the spoils of war - in fact, as Merrett ruefully discovered, those that had married into families that were favourites at court got less than they anticipated. Except Ser Emmon Frey, who married a Lannister. Whatever damage had been done to their lands, they would have to wear. But there probably wasn't a lot, because Aerys forces had no reason or desire to target the Freys, with their ties to so many loyalist families. Hoster would also prefer the Freys saw him as an ally not a threat. Even after the war was won. So a deprecating nickname would have to do. Plus not attending any of Lord Walder's weddings. That was a wise move. And both moves were felt, and rankled with Lord Frey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvus Black Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, Walda said: They were not fighting for the Targaryens. When they arrived, Robert had been badly wounded and his army wasn't keen to rally for another, more pointless battle after the Trident. There's no indication Robert was "badly wounded". Considering he sent his maester to look after Barristan Selmy rather than himself, and that he arrived in King's Landing shortly after Ned, the evidence points to it being a minor wound. 17 minutes ago, Walda said: Ned and his Northerners had probably headed to King's Landing before the Freys turned up. Ned was sent after the fleeing royal army, not to march on King's Landing. That the royal army headed back to King's Landing was good fortune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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