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2 hours ago, The Lord of the Crossing said:

I don't think so.  Aegon I, Aegon V, Aerys II, Rhaegar, Viserys, were all preparations for Daenerys to be Azor Ahai.  The prophecy is very clear.  Azor Ahai will wake dragons from stone.  Daenerys has done that.  She's not preparation for Azor Ahai, she is Azor Ahai. 

Well, I'm not going to argue about it.  The prophecies are cludged together.  The AA original prophesy from Asshai gives the signs and portents:

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A Clash of Kings - Davos I

Melisandre was robed all in scarlet satin and blood velvet, her eyes as red as the great ruby that glistened at her throat as if it too were afire. "In ancient books of Asshai it is written that there will come a day after a long summer when the stars bleed and the cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world. In this dread hour a warrior shall draw from the fire a burning sword. And that sword shall be Lightbringer, the Red Sword of Heroes, and he who clasps it shall be Azor Ahai come again, and the darkness shall flee before him." She lifted her voice, so it carried out over the gathered host. "Azor Ahai, beloved of R'hllor! The Warrior of Light, the Son of Fire! Come forth, your sword awaits you! Come forth and take it into your hand!"

 

When the stars bleed (plural) gets turned into the bleeding star by Melisandre.  The comet is part of the PWIP prophesy.  The bleeding stars refers to the return of the warriors sons and poor fellows who carve bloody stars into their flesh. 

Melisandre is trying to re-create the AA prophesy with Stannis as AA and herself as Nissa Nissa.  She is taking advantage of the red comet to bolster her position and power.  Also we are talking about more than one hero of which the Red Sword is but one.

Stannis is not the one who wakes dragons from stone.  That appears to be part of the PWIP prophecy along with the comet which heralds the birth of dragons.  Of course that's Dany.  But that doesn't make her AA.  It makes her the mother of dragons and the herald for the one who come after: the son of fire, the warrior of light. the red sword of heroes.

Rhaegar gets it backwards when he says he must be the warrior rather than PWIP.  He names his unborn son the PWIP because on the day he sees a comet, he makes his way to Elia's bed and tries to make the prophecy happen.  Which is why he says the comet passed on the night his son was conceived, rather than born.  

But interpret this as you see fit.  I'm still expecting the warrior of light and possibly even the Red Sword of Heroes to show up.  I don't even think they are necessarily one character, but several.

 

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On 6/13/2021 at 6:22 PM, By Odin's Beard said:

And Azimov's book Nemesis is about a Red Planet that has a long orbit around the solar system and it is completely covered in red telepathic fungus. 

Mars watches Jon "through the trees"

Mars passes through the 12 houses of the zodiac, "the sword plunged into water" was when Mars was in Aquarius or Pisces it launched a comet, "the sword plunged into a Lion's heart" is when Mars was in Leo it launched a comet--the star Cor Leonis is the Lion's Heart, and "the sword plunged into Nissa Nissa's heart" was when Mars was in Virgo it launched the comet that came to Earth and hit the dark object that was causing the Long Night eclipse.

Joffrey was Pisces. Bloodraven is Leo. Leo's guardian planet is the Sun, and there was this in ADWD, Jon I, that hiding sun is Bloodraven:

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"Snow," the moon insisted.

The white wolf ran from it, racing toward the cave of night where the sun had hidden, his breath frosting in the air.

Moon is a guardian planet of Cancer, so Shiera Seastar is a Cancer (she gave a moonstone brooch to Bloodraven, it was a shadow artifact using which Bloodraven in The Mystery Knight novel was impersonating Maynard Plumm, and Shiera is Quaithe). When Azor Ahai plunged his sword into Nissa's heart, on the moon appeared cracks.

So "the sword plunged into water" is possibly Joffrey's death. The tempering in lion's heart will be Bloodraven's death. Shiera is possibly a new Nissa.

On 7/7/2021 at 12:02 PM, LynnS said:

Stannis is not the one who wakes dragons from stone.  That appears to be part of the PWIP prophecy along with the comet which heralds the birth of dragons.  Of course that's Dany.  But that doesn't make her AA.  It makes her the mother of dragons and the herald for the one who come after: the son of fire, the warrior of light. the red sword of heroes.

R'hllor's champion. And that's Rhaego. Him under the banner of a fiery stallion with fire coming out of his mouth, fire is R'hllor's weapon.

Dany is the Woman of Apocalypse, the Woman clothed with the Sun (Dany's burning on Drogo's funeral pyre; it's from the Bible, same as the Great Shepherd about whom Mirri Maz Duur was telling to Dany, the one who according to Dothraki prophecies will unite all Dothraki into a single nation <- that's what in the Bible did the son of the Woman clothed with the Sun, he was leading an army of horsemen that fought against demons/in ASOIAF it will be the Others).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman_of_the_Apocalypse

There are three Messiahs, not two. Not only Azor Ahai Reborn who will be a warrior with Lightbringer/Dawn sword, not only the Princess that was Promised who had awakened dragons from stone, but also the Stallion that Mounts the World. Let's not forget that besides ancient prophecies from Asshai, Daenys the Dreamer's prophecies recorded in "The Book of Signs and Portents" (Rhaegar's sourse of info), there are also ancient prophecies given by multiple generations of dosh khaleen to Dothraki. The Stallion is one of the three heads of the dragon. He's going to become the second dragonrider, his dragon will be Rhaegel (GRRM gave pretty straightforward clues in the chapter when the dragons hatched). So let's definitely return to this discussion after the TWOW's release, because Rhaego will appear there in Dany's first or second chapter.

Even the fact that GRRM had to ditch his original idea that there should have been a 5 years long time skip in the plot (which would have allowed Rhaego to become old enough (7 at the time of Dany's return to the 7K) to become a dragorider), doesn't change anything. ASOIAF's entire plot is build around the fact that there are three Saviours, not one, not two, but three. Dany, Rhaego, Jon - in this order. Dany hatched dragons, Rhaego will bring the army of horsemen to fight with the White Walkers and the Others, and Jon will defeat the Others with Dawn/Lightbringer.

It's likely that Jon was born at Starfall, that's where were bleeding stars - they are everywhere in that castle's interior, add here Lyanna's bed of blood - and we have that Jon was born under the bleeding stars. Rhaego's birth was followed by the appearance of the Bleeding Star and Dany was born amidst salt and smoke. Though with GRRM nothing is ever simple and unequivocal, he likes to overcomplicate everything.

I wrote several theories on this topic, so if you'll be interested to read more, here are links:

https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/159054-swan-song-part-1116-the-stallion-that-mounts-the-world/

https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/159058-swan-song-part-1216-the-dragon-has-three-heads/

https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/159059-swan-song-part-1316-the-prince-that-was-promised/

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