Padraig Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 12 hours ago, Which Tyler said: That was heart breaking for Schleu in the modern pent show jumping - never had her composure, never earned the horse' trust, and TBH, pushed the horse further than she should have done Modern Pent is very tough. Schleu was well ahead going into that showjumping round. If she got a half decent round, she would be cruising. But she had 20 minutes to get to know the horse and she clearly knew before she started that she wouldn't be able to control it. The Irish woman had a similar experience, although she at least finished her round. But fell from 4th to 18th. I imagine the German was as good with horses as the Irish woman but sometimes you get drawn the wrong horse. Pity it happened in the Olympics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarGalley Posted August 6, 2021 Share Posted August 6, 2021 Being from the US, I am a casual fan of men and women's soccer/football. I only watch games during the major tournaments (World Cup, Euro Cup, Copa Cup, Gold Cup) but mostly the World Cup. I was surprised the Gold Cup (Mexico vs USA this year) was played simultaneously during the Olympics (and that the other tournaments took place in so close a time as the Olympics). My question is, where does the Olympic match / final fit in terms of prestige against these other tournaments? Obviously the World Cup ranks as the #1 tournament world wide, but how does the EuroCup rank against the Gold medal match in the Olympics with Europeans? I assume the EuroCup/Copa cup etc is more prestigious and financially rewarding than getting a gold in the Olympics, but wondering if soccer/football fans can confirm this about those tournaments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 2 hours ago, WarGalley said: Being from the US, I am a casual fan of men and women's soccer/football. I only watch games during the major tournaments (World Cup, Euro Cup, Copa Cup, Gold Cup) but mostly the World Cup. I was surprised the Gold Cup (Mexico vs USA this year) was played simultaneously during the Olympics (and that the other tournaments took place in so close a time as the Olympics). My question is, where does the Olympic match / final fit in terms of prestige against these other tournaments? Obviously the World Cup ranks as the #1 tournament world wide, but how does the EuroCup rank against the Gold medal match in the Olympics with Europeans? I assume the EuroCup/Copa cup etc is more prestigious and financially rewarding than getting a gold in the Olympics, but wondering if soccer/football fans can confirm this about those tournaments. Nowhere (men's, that is). Olympic football is barely even a footnote for the youngsters, less important than club matches in the top leagues for most countries, and quite possibly second division level as well. IMO it should be replaced with a sport that's close enough to be "football" but different enough to be specialist, and see the Olympics as peak or near-peak prestige. Personally, I'd swap it out for 5-a-side football. It's the same problem with golf and tennis at the Olympics (aside from that golf should never have been admitted ahead of squash) - and would have been the same for rugby, had it been XVs, not VIIs. I'd look to similar solutions for those sports as well, and make them team match-play / team-event; so following a Ryder Cup / Davis Cup formats - Okay, so you wouldn't get different players there, but it would be different enough to be interesting beyond just another golf/tennis competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairparavel Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 The men's teams competing in Olympic soccer are U23 and generally not made up of first squad players. So the Mexican team that won bronze and the Mexican team that played (and *lost in the final of) the Gold Cup are two entirely different groups of players. Also keep in mind that the Olympics and Euros and Copa America were played a year late. The Gold Cup was on schedule. The women's teams are the same squads competing for the World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 9 minutes ago, kairparavel said: The men's teams competing in Olympic soccer are U23 and generally not made up of first squad players. So the Mexican team that won bronze and the Mexican team that won the Gold Cup are two entirely different groups of players. Also keep in mind that the Olympics and Euros and Copa America were played a year late. The Gold Cup was on schedule. The women's teams are the same squads competing for the World Cup. They lost. U.S.A! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairparavel Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: They lost. U.S.A! My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 8 hours ago, BigFatCoward said: Jesus, just read that break dancing will be in Paris 2024. It's not esports bad, but its pretty shite. Did we suddenly travel back in time to 1983? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, kairparavel said: My bad. No worries. Congrats on the Women's gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impmk2 Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Women's sport climbing finals last night. Not much to say. Janja Gambret's boulder flash grade has to be 2-3 grades higher than any other competitive female boulderer on the planet, and she's amongst the best on lead to boot. Wasn't even close in the end. I do feel sorry for the route setters though. They had the unenviable job of setting boulder problems that would challenge Janja, and that the other competitors also had a chance on. They succeeded in the former but not so much in the latter, making the boulder round a little boring to watch as there weren't many tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 As a sports climbing ignoramus, it was anything but boring. The only boring bit was how quickly the speedsters just gave up on the boulders and lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted August 7, 2021 Author Share Posted August 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Wilbur said: Did we suddenly travel back in time to 1983? That's the same question I had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Which Tyler said: less important than club matches in the top leagues for most countries, and quite possibly second division level as well. It's less important than any club match at any level for the people who support those clubs. It's probably not less _presitiguous_ than winning the conference north but it's less important even in absolute terms, coz club futures live and die on winning or not the conference north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Which Tyler said: . I'd look to similar solutions for those sports as well, and make them team match-play / team-event; so following a Ryder Cup / Davis Cup formats - Okay, so you wouldn't get different players there, but it would be different enough to be interesting beyond just another golf/tennis competition. If golf has to be in a 3 player per country knock out tournament where 2 wins out of 3 wins and progresses, for the top 16 nations would be far more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 11 hours ago, Padraig said: Modern Pent is very tough. Schleu was well ahead going into that showjumping round. If she got a half decent round, she would be cruising. But she had 20 minutes to get to know the horse and she clearly knew before she started that she wouldn't be able to control it. The Irish woman had a similar experience, although she at least finished her round. But fell from 4th to 18th. I imagine the German was as good with horses as the Irish woman but sometimes you get drawn the wrong horse. Pity it happened in the Olympics. It was heartbreaking for her; but it was also animal abuse (to my uneducated eyes) <br /> https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/aug/07/german-modern-pentathlon-kim-raisner-coach-thrown-out-of-tokyo-olympics-for-punching-horse-annika-schleu Quote German modern pentathlon coach thrown out of Olympics for punching horse A German modern pentathlon coach has been thrown out of the Tokyo Olympics for punching a horse during competition. Kim Raisner was trying to assist German athlete Annika Schleu as she battled to control Saint Boy ahead of her show jumping round in the women’s event on Friday. Athletes are given only 20 minutes to bond with an unfamiliar horse before their round and Schleu, who had been leading the field, was in tears as she came into the ring. Saint Boy, who had already proven a tricky ride for his first athlete, bucked and refused to trot around the course, with a number of people on social media raising concerns about the way Schleu and Raisner were treating the horse. ARTICLE CONTINUES... NB. that's the coach, not the competitor. To my uneducated eyes, Schleu herself should also have been kicked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Modern pentathlon is my new favourite sport. Except the lottery with the horses. But since team GB won both I can live with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltaran Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 The Egyptian fellow came on strong there but couldn’t quite keep it up in the final half lap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 34 minutes ago, Maltaran said: The Egyptian fellow came on strong there but couldn’t quite keep it up in the final half lap He did - but you could see how much it had hurt him in the final 400m or so; where you could also see what Choong confirmed in the interview, in that he took it a little easy in the early laps, so that he could have a better kick if challenged. El-Gendy still completed the Lazer-run 45 seconds to catch Choong from 13th (Only Vlatch went faster still). 37 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said: Modern pentathlon is my new favourite sport. Except the lottery with the horses. But since team GB won both I can live with it. Personally, I love all the combined events; fell in love with pentathlon in London - given its purpose, I don't mind the lottery with the horses. It's supposed to represent a soldier caught alone behind enemy lines (pre-WWI); so sword-fight, swim a river, steal a horse, run away whilst laying down cover fire. If anything, I'd suggest that to simulate horse-theft, they should get less than 20 minutes with the horse - but have free choice of 8-10 horses available (but not one of the previous 2 taken). Equally, it should probably be a shortened steeplechase, rather than showjumping (equally the swimming would be better in open water, and the fencing could maybe be "knife" rather than "sword" - or better yet MMA - though that would be too brutal to be part of a mutli-event). Of course, taking events out of the stadium would not be spectator friendly. Gotta say; 20 Golds and 62 total medals is already better than I expected from GB. We had that big increase in funding (and success) in time for London 2012; which held over to 2016, but I was expecting a drop down to about where we were in the build up - so around the same level as in Beijing (19 gold from 51 total). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Wow Hassan! What a run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Who is showing the football final? Rushed home to see it and it seems nobody is broadcasting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winterfell is Burning Posted August 7, 2021 Share Posted August 7, 2021 Only the Olympics can have people in Rio up at midnight watching and screaming about a canoe race. Meanwhile, in football, Brazil is up 1-0 against Spain, but Olympic football after we finally won the gold in Rio is attracting a lot less interest than in previous editions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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