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12 hours ago, Which Tyler said:

That was heart breaking for Schleu in the modern pent show jumping - never had her composure, never earned the horse' trust, and TBH, pushed the horse further than she should have done

Modern Pent is very tough.  Schleu was well ahead going into that showjumping round.  If she got a half decent round, she would be cruising.  But she had 20 minutes to get to know the horse and she clearly knew before she started that she wouldn't be able to control it.

The Irish woman had a similar experience, although she at least finished her round.  But fell from 4th to 18th.   I imagine the German was as good with horses as the Irish woman but sometimes you get drawn the wrong horse.  Pity it happened in the Olympics.

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Being from the US, I am a casual fan of men and women's soccer/football. I only watch games during the major tournaments (World Cup, Euro Cup, Copa Cup, Gold Cup) but mostly the World Cup. I was surprised the Gold Cup (Mexico vs USA this year) was played simultaneously during the Olympics (and that the other tournaments took place in so close a time as the Olympics).

My question is, where does the Olympic match / final fit in terms of prestige against these other tournaments? Obviously the World Cup ranks as the #1 tournament world wide, but how does the EuroCup rank against the Gold medal match in the Olympics with Europeans? 

I assume the EuroCup/Copa cup etc is more prestigious and financially rewarding than getting a gold in the Olympics, but wondering if soccer/football fans can confirm this about those tournaments.

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2 hours ago, WarGalley said:

Being from the US, I am a casual fan of men and women's soccer/football. I only watch games during the major tournaments (World Cup, Euro Cup, Copa Cup, Gold Cup) but mostly the World Cup. I was surprised the Gold Cup (Mexico vs USA this year) was played simultaneously during the Olympics (and that the other tournaments took place in so close a time as the Olympics).

My question is, where does the Olympic match / final fit in terms of prestige against these other tournaments? Obviously the World Cup ranks as the #1 tournament world wide, but how does the EuroCup rank against the Gold medal match in the Olympics with Europeans? 

I assume the EuroCup/Copa cup etc is more prestigious and financially rewarding than getting a gold in the Olympics, but wondering if soccer/football fans can confirm this about those tournaments.

Nowhere (men's, that is).

Olympic football is barely even a footnote for the youngsters, less important than club matches in the top leagues for most countries, and quite possibly second division level as well.

IMO it should be replaced with a sport that's close enough to be "football" but different enough to be specialist, and see the Olympics as peak or near-peak prestige. Personally, I'd swap it out for 5-a-side football.

It's the same problem with golf and tennis at the Olympics (aside from that golf should never have been admitted ahead of squash) - and would have been the same for rugby, had it been XVs, not VIIs. I'd look to similar solutions for those sports as well, and make them team match-play / team-event; so following a Ryder Cup / Davis Cup formats - Okay, so you wouldn't get different players there, but it would be different enough to be interesting beyond just another golf/tennis competition.

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The men's teams competing in Olympic soccer are U23 and generally not made up of first squad players. So the Mexican team that won bronze and the Mexican team that played (and *lost in the final of) the Gold Cup are two entirely different groups of players. 

Also keep in mind that the Olympics and Euros and Copa America were played a year late. The Gold Cup was on schedule. 

The women's teams are the same squads competing for the World Cup.

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9 minutes ago, kairparavel said:

The men's teams competing in Olympic soccer are U23 and generally not made up of first squad players. So the Mexican team that won bronze and the Mexican team that won the Gold Cup are two entirely different groups of players. 

Also keep in mind that the Olympics and Euros and Copa America were played a year late. The Gold Cup was on schedule. 

The women's teams are the same squads competing for the World Cup.

They lost. U.S.A! :commie:

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Women's sport climbing finals last night. Not much to say. Janja Gambret's boulder flash grade has to be 2-3 grades higher than any other competitive female boulderer on the planet, and she's amongst the best on lead to boot. Wasn't even close in the end.

I do feel sorry for the route setters though. They had the unenviable job of setting boulder problems that would challenge Janja, and that the other competitors also had a chance on. They succeeded in the former but not so much in the latter, making the boulder round a little boring to watch as there weren't many tops.

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6 hours ago, Which Tyler said:

less important than club matches in the top leagues for most countries, and quite possibly second division level as well.

 

It's less important than any club match at any level for the people who support those clubs. It's probably not less _presitiguous_ than winning the conference north but it's less important even in absolute terms, coz club futures live and die on winning or not the conference north.

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6 hours ago, Which Tyler said:

. I'd look to similar solutions for those sports as well, and make them team match-play / team-event; so following a Ryder Cup / Davis Cup formats - Okay, so you wouldn't get different players there, but it would be different enough to be interesting beyond just another golf/tennis competition.

If golf has to be in a 3 player per country knock out tournament where 2 wins out of 3 wins and progresses, for the top 16 nations would be far more interesting. 

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11 hours ago, Padraig said:

Modern Pent is very tough.  Schleu was well ahead going into that showjumping round.  If she got a half decent round, she would be cruising.  But she had 20 minutes to get to know the horse and she clearly knew before she started that she wouldn't be able to control it.

The Irish woman had a similar experience, although she at least finished her round.  But fell from 4th to 18th.   I imagine the German was as good with horses as the Irish woman but sometimes you get drawn the wrong horse.  Pity it happened in the Olympics.

It was heartbreaking for her; but it was also animal abuse (to my uneducated eyes)
 
 
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German modern pentathlon coach thrown out of Olympics for punching horse

A German modern pentathlon coach has been thrown out of the Tokyo Olympics for punching a horse during competition.

Kim Raisner was trying to assist German athlete Annika Schleu as she battled to control Saint Boy ahead of her show jumping round in the women’s event on Friday. Athletes are given only 20 minutes to bond with an unfamiliar horse before their round and Schleu, who had been leading the field, was in tears as she came into the ring.

Saint Boy, who had already proven a tricky ride for his first athlete, bucked and refused to trot around the course, with a number of people on social media raising concerns about the way Schleu and Raisner were treating the horse.

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NB. that's the coach, not the competitor. To my uneducated eyes, Schleu herself should also have been kicked out.

 

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34 minutes ago, Maltaran said:

The Egyptian fellow came on strong there but couldn’t quite keep it up in the final half lap

He did - but you could see how much it had hurt him in the final 400m or so; where you could also see what Choong confirmed in the interview, in that he took it a little easy in the early laps, so that he could have a better kick if challenged.
El-Gendy still completed the Lazer-run 45 seconds to catch Choong from 13th (Only Vlatch went faster still).

  

37 minutes ago, BigFatCoward said:

Modern pentathlon is my new favourite sport. Except the lottery with the horses. But since team GB won both I can live with it.


Personally, I love all the combined events; fell in love with pentathlon in London - given its purpose, I don't mind the lottery with the horses. It's supposed to represent a soldier caught alone behind enemy lines (pre-WWI); so sword-fight, swim a river, steal a horse, run away whilst laying down cover fire. If anything, I'd suggest that to simulate horse-theft, they should get less than 20 minutes with the horse - but have free choice of 8-10 horses available (but not one of the previous 2 taken). Equally, it should probably be a shortened steeplechase, rather than showjumping (equally the swimming would be better in open water, and the fencing could maybe be "knife" rather than "sword" - or better yet MMA - though that would be too brutal to be part of a mutli-event). Of course, taking events out of the stadium would not be spectator friendly.

 

 

Gotta say; 20 Golds and 62 total medals is already better than I expected from GB.
We had that big increase in funding (and success) in time for London 2012; which held over to 2016, but I was expecting a drop down to about where we were in the build up - so around the same level as in Beijing (19 gold from 51 total).

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