DaveSumm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Didn’t see them being this forceful with vaccines to be honest. That’s quite a stark choice for younger people. EDIT: the Guardian link wouldn’t work so it’s via Reddit, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Huh? I thought this was freedom day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 So not even a negative test will get you in? I thought the UK would never do ‘vaccine passports’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSumm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 I guess they’re trying to jump start the vaccine numbers for that age group, but it’s hard to apply a rationale to it. If it’s necessary in September how is it not necessary now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Which Tyler Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Just now, DaveSumm said: I guess they’re trying to jump start the vaccine numbers for that age group, but it’s hard to apply a rationale to it. If it’s necessary in September how is it not necessary now? The major difference will be that, by September everyone who wants a vaccine will have had one. The other big difference will be that schools and universities will be back in term time (though I'll note that they seem to be starting this after Freshers week, and the first week or two of term time) I'm general though, and more to HOI above - Johnson is yet to meet the decision he isn't perfectly happy to U-turn on the moment it appears unpopular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebble thats Stubby Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, DaveSumm said: I guess they’re trying to jump start the vaccine numbers for that age group, but it’s hard to apply a rationale to it. If it’s necessary in September how is it not necessary now? I guess its only "fair" if they have the chance to get both vaccinations. also this mainly effects young people who normally don't vote Tory, so they can test vaccine passports on them and see how eveyone else reacts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, DaveSumm said: I guess they’re trying to jump start the vaccine numbers for that age group, but it’s hard to apply a rationale to it. If it’s necessary in September how is it not necessary now? Coercing people ( forcing them almost) to get vaccines is not a good way to go about it. Of course like most things it’s the exact opposite of what we were told would happen. Well at least this will see the return of the underground rave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Heartofice said: Coercing people ( forcing them almost) to get vaccines is not a good way to go about it. Sadly, given the state of society today, it is the only feckin' way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Any indication as to when vaccine passports won’t be necessary again? If it’s from sept then there is no end date? This is quite frankly staggering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSumm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Heartofice said: Coercing people ( forcing them almost) to get vaccines is not a good way to go about it. Yea I agree, the standard response to an anti-vaxxer’s cry of “they’re forcing us!” has always been “No, nobody is.” I might budge on this if we’d vaccinated every last person who wanted it and it just wasn’t enough and cases continued to climb, if it was literally this or hospitals overwhelming then OK, some sacrifices obviously need to be made. But the timing of this is odd; other than, as I said, to get young people vaccinated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, DaveSumm said: Yea I agree, the standard response to an anti-vaxxer’s cry of “they’re forcing us!” has always been “No, nobody is.” I might budge on this if we’d vaccinated every last person who wanted it and it just wasn’t enough and cases continued to climb, if it was literally this or hospitals overwhelming then OK, some sacrifices obviously need to be made. But the timing of this is odd; other than, as I said, to get young people vaccinated. Well it’s being introduced after the supposed peak of this wave which makes even less sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, DaveSumm said: But the timing of this is odd; other than, as I said, to get young people vaccinated. I think that's precisely it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, Heartofice said: Well it’s being introduced after the supposed peak of this wave which makes even less sense After the peak? We're nowhere near it yet. Not sure if you've noticed, but infections are going up, not down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebble thats Stubby Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 well they can't very well being this in without waring and giving people time to get both vaccines. at the moment that's an 8 week gap between them. so giving warning now they are planning this is not a bad thing. I expect the details will be fuzzy for a while, and they need to work out if this also effects people who can't get a vaccine for medial reasons. If by September cases have not gone up they have time to re-evaluate and say the covid passport is not necessary. (or more likely too many people complain) If the vaccine passport is popular and deemed needed, they may well roll it out to other venues. What I really want to know if people working in nightclubs will need 2 vaccines and if so what about people working in frontline healthcare? if you can mandate one as necessary for the job then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, Pebble thats Stubby said: If by September cases have not gone up What? Cases are going up every single day in the UK and have been for quite some time -- just like here in the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebble thats Stubby Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Zorral said: What? Cases are going up every single day in the UK and have been for quite some time -- just like here in the USA. sorry I thought I did not need the sarcasm emoji. but if they U turn the government may redefine cases somehow remember if they go up loads its our fault now for not doing the recomended not mandated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 I just saw a Reuters story on Facebook saying 60% of the people going to hospital with Covid-19 are fully vaccinated, according to the Minister in charge. What the actual hell? 60% of new cases are fully vaccinated people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 54 minutes ago, Heartofice said: Coercing people ( forcing them almost) to get vaccines is not a good way to go about it. Of course like most things it’s the exact opposite of what we were told would happen. Well at least this will see the return of the underground rave It's not a good way to go about it, but what do you do with people who are refusing to get vaccinated for bad-faith reasons and continue to serve as spreaders that put their whole community at risk? You kind of have to start forcing people at some point and/or require vaccine passports for everyday activities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 minute ago, L'oiseau français said: I just saw a Reuters story on Facebook saying 60% of the people going to hospital with Covid-19 are fully vaccinated, according to the Minister in charge. What the actual hell? 60% of new cases are fully vaccinated people? Every doctor I've heard speak on TV has said all the bad cases are from non-vaccinated people, but that there is a real increase with those who are vaccinated because so many people are equating be vaccinated with return to life as normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSumm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, L'oiseau français said: I just saw a Reuters story on Facebook saying 60% of the people going to hospital with Covid-19 are fully vaccinated, according to the Minister in charge. What the actual hell? 60% of new cases are fully vaccinated people? ‘With’ not ‘because of’. With cases so high, you’d expect a fair portion of those entering hospital to have it, statistically speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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