DMC Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, DaveSumm said: Yea I agree, the standard response to an anti-vaxxer’s cry of “they’re forcing us!” has always been “No, nobody is.” Are people being forced to attend nightclubs and other crowded venues? Hell, I don't know about the UK, but here in the states many universities are requiring vaccination in order to enroll in the fall semester. Something I fully support, for faculty and staff too. And I'd venture to say the right to go to school is far more essential than the right to go clubbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A wilding Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, DaveSumm said: ‘With’ not ‘because of’. With cases so high, you’d expect a fair portion of those entering hospital to have it, statistically speaking. The number of people in the UK who currently have Covid is perhaps 5% maximum (being generous). If it is really true that 60% of current hospital admissions have Covid, then the idea that these people are simply "with Covid" - i.e. are actually ill with something else but just happen to have Covid as well - is statistically impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 36 minutes ago, L'oiseau français said: I just saw a Reuters story on Facebook saying 60% of the people going to hospital with Covid-19 are fully vaccinated, according to the Minister in charge. What the actual hell? 60% of new cases are fully vaccinated people? I think our chief scientific adviser is not having a good day: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartofice Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, williamjm said: I think our chief scientific adviser is not having a good day: Hahah! Oh shit, way to drop the ball there Pat! Not a good day for anyone trying to convince anti vaxxers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, williamjm said: I think our chief scientific adviser is not having a good day: That is a big difference! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSumm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 17 minutes ago, A wilding said: The number of people in the UK who currently have Covid is perhaps 5% maximum (being generous). If it is really true that 60% of current hospital admissions have Covid, then the idea that these people are simply "with Covid" - i.e. are actually ill with something else but just happen to have Covid as well - is statistically impossible. But in addition, those hospitalised still lean toward older age groups who are overwhelmingly more likely to be double vaccinated. So if (completely made up numbers) 1% of doubled vaxxed were hospitalised, and 10% of non vaxxed, then the fact that there’s just so many people vaccinated will swell that 1% to look worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, L'oiseau français said: I just saw a Reuters story on Facebook saying 60% of the people going to hospital with Covid-19 are fully vaccinated, according to the Minister in charge. What the actual hell? 60% of new cases are fully vaccinated people? FB enabling lies -- that's what the Federals are trying to force FB to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, Zorral said: FB enabling lies -- that's what the Federals are trying to force FB to stop. Nah, the idiot said the exact opposite of what he meant. Unvaccinated people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Wait. That means 40% are vaccinated people. That’s still a staggering number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 #JohnsonVariant ftw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sunland Lord Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, L'oiseau français said: Wait. That means 40% are vaccinated people. That’s still a staggering number. But one dose or two. Also, how much time after the second jab has passed, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spockydog Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Yes, but whatever the reasons, we've gone from vaccines that are 96% effective, to vaccines that are 60% effective. Yet here we are. Freedom Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fragile Bird Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, The Sunland Lord said: But one dose or two. Also, how much time after the second jab has passed, etc. Details, details! Lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 14 minutes ago, Spockydog said: Yes, but whatever the reasons, we've gone from vaccines that are 96% effective, to vaccines that are 60% effective. Yet here we are. Freedom Day. That math doesn't make sense. Just because 40% of those hospitalized for covid have been vaccinated does not mean 40% of all vaccinated people are being hospitalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFatCoward Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Cummings kicking shit out of BJ again but he's a fucking weasel so nobody cares. What he is saying should in normal times be reason to resign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 42 minutes ago, L'oiseau français said: Wait. That means 40% are vaccinated people. That’s still a staggering number. If we had somehow vaccinated 100% of the population then 100% of the people in hospital would be vaccinated. More seriously, currently 88% of the adult population have had at least one dose so I don't think it would too surprising if the number of hospitalised people from the 12% unvaccinated is comparable to the smaller proportion of people vaccinated from the 88%, especially when the 12% unvaccinated is mostly young people at very low risk of serious infection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamjm Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 15 minutes ago, DMC said: That math doesn't make sense. Just because 40% of those hospitalized for covid have been vaccinated does not mean 40% of all vaccinated people are being hospitalized. I saw this hypothetical example of how such a % could happen with effective vaccines and high coverage. I think most of us don't have particularly good intuition for how statistics work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Spockydog said: After the peak? We're nowhere near it yet. Not sure if you've noticed, but infections are going up, not down. I think that was a reference to government comments that they expect the wave to peak before the end of August or start of September and then decline. I'm not sure what they're basing that on other than fervent hopes. Other members of SAGE were saying that they expect the cases to explode past 100,000 hospitalisations a day and it may not peak until it goes past 200,000 a day way past that point, which is completely insane. Even with the vaccine and assuming more and more people get vaccinated, that will still push deaths per day up into the low hundreds. Better than the 1,000 per day+ seen at previous peaks, but enough to start people really clamouring for another lockdown. That's really the nightmare scenario for the government: us having the population mostly or even entirely vaccinated but still not being able to "return to normal" because that removes from them a viable exit strategy (apart from "wait for second or third generation vaccines that hopefully stop transmission dead"). They're adamant that they won't insist on "a new normal" of social distancing and mask wearing, when to be honest that bit's become second nature to people over the past eighteen months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted July 19, 2021 Author Share Posted July 19, 2021 Today I commented on twitter that people shouldn't send death threats to JK Rowling even though she's a bigot and my comments have since been indundated with Brits screaming waaaah she's not a bigot waaah! Fucking terf island, man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raja Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, polishgenius said: Fucking terf island, man. I just had a look and oof, those replies are...something. The gender colonizer bit did make me laugh, ngl. Anecdotally, having lived in both the UK & the US, the UK seems to be miles behind the US in terms of trans activism whilst also being completely filled with TERFs. Makes me big sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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