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College Football 2021-22: Spinning up the Conference Carousel


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There is some valid point to the weather issue. Get those track burners outside when it's a snowy field and it reduces them to average at best because they can't sprint and make the same precise cuts that they have spent their whole lives doing. 

Now, their lines would still be as dominant, no doubt. Saban would just run it down the opponents throats and use those receivers near the goal line.

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Ah the joys of being a Big Ten alumni:

Time to kill the Pac-12 and ACC. Power two may only be a matter of time despite four 16 team conferences making more sense. Give us Miami, ND, Stanford and Oregon. Adding Washington makes more financial sense than adding Stanford, but having them further cements that we're the academic conference. 

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And to really dig for the Kentucky angle… former UK DB MK Devonshire gets the late pick 6 to knock off former UK assistant coach Neal Brown’s Mountaineers.

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Had they done this last year, the PAC10 would still be a conference.

Overall, I hate it.  Makes regular season meaningless. 6 would have been the most that I could have agreed with.

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3 hours ago, Rhom said:


Had they done this last year, the PAC10 would still be a conference.

Overall, I hate it.  Makes regular season meaningless. 6 would have been the most that I could have agreed with.

Yeah I haven't been following CFB news lately but 12 seems to be quite the jump. I thought 8 would have been the next step (basically the football version of the elite 8, final four and championship).

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Yes, a 12 team playoff is trash.  For the top schools like Bama or Ohio State, what is the chance they are outside the top 12 at the end of the regular season?  They'd have to lose three games at least and that just doesn't happen.  The regular season is completely meaningless for teams like that.  

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12 is the lowest amount you can expect. 6 doesn't work already. 8 starts cutting into debates between 2 great teams in the same division (like Alabama and lsu some years) and taking shitty teams like Pitt or coastal Carolina over second place auburn. 

12 teams means you're not having any of that and instead you're grousing about the 13th best team in football. 

But ultimately it doesn't matter; realistically the playoff already killed bowl games and most of the regular season given how many times we've got repeats of sec matches, and most of this doesn't matter anyway given the absurd disparities in talent and coaching.

It definitely does help the mega big10 though.

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1 hour ago, Maithanet said:

Yes, a 12 team playoff is trash.  For the top schools like Bama or Ohio State, what is the chance they are outside the top 12 at the end of the regular season?  They'd have to lose three games at least and that just doesn't happen.  The regular season is completely meaningless for teams like that.  

Bama and OSU will rarely benefit from this. This format is to ensure schools like Texas and USC can almost always make it.

And yeah, 12 teams is beyond dumb. It should be 8 with four conferences of 16 split into basically 8 conferences of 8. Let the top two teams from each of these eight groups compete to fill one of the eight spots and every other year shake them up a bit. 

It would be even better if D2 was basically done the same way and then teams could be relegated out. But they'll never do that.

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I mean, the notion that Bama or Ohio state shouldn't be in the playoffs unless they have a truly trash year is ridiculous on its face anyway, and any playoff system that somehow excludes them while bringing in Miami or West Virginia due to those teams winning their conference would be utter bullshit.

Like it or not, Bama and osu are teams that should be in the playoffs virtually every single year. 

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14 minutes ago, KalVsWade said:

Like it or not, Bama and osu are teams that should be in the playoffs virtually every single year. 

Is that really a good thing though? College football is even more screwed up at the top than European football. 

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21 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Is that really a good thing though? College football is even more screwed up at the top than European football. 

Yes - having two of the absolute best teams in college football routinely making the playoffs is obviously what we want if you want a playoff system at all. Any system that could easily exclude them over shitty champions of arbitrary juggled around shit conferences is a sham.

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13 minutes ago, KalVsWade said:

Yes - having two of the absolute best teams in college football routinely making the playoffs is obviously what we want if you want a playoff system at all. Any system that could easily exclude them over shitty champions of arbitrary juggled around shit conferences is a sham.

Well I'd try and build a system that actually creates some measure of parity. The college game isn't that fun as it stands when you know the final four will almost always be two of three SEC teams (Bama, GA and LSU), OSU and a team from a small group that regularly makes it (ND, A&M, FSU and Clemson) or the occasional outlier. It's just not a very entertaining product overall unless you're a diehard fan.

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4 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

Well I'd try and build a system that actually creates some measure of parity. The college game isn't that fun as it stands when you know the final four will almost always be two of three SEC teams (Bama, GA and LSU), OSU and a team from a small group that regularly makes it (ND, A&M, FSU and Clemson) or the occasional outlier. It's just not a very entertaining product overall unless you're a diehard fan.

COMMIE SCUM

Playoffs can help parity some. Paying players can help it too. Relegation would be best. But at some level there just isn't going to be parity and excluding the best teams for stupid reasons won't make that better. 

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13 minutes ago, KalVsWade said:

COMMIE SCUM

Playoffs can help parity some. Paying players can help it too. Relegation would be best. But at some level there just isn't going to be parity and excluding the best teams for stupid reasons won't make that better. 

Paying players wild wild west style will only worsen the problem. If you want parity, make an NIL cap and then penalize teams for being successful, like say if you win the title you can only spend 70% of the cap, make the final four and it's 80% and make the playoffs and it's 90%. That's the only way to make several teams competitive. 

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3 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Paying players wild wild west style will only worsen the problem. If you want parity, make an NIL cap and then penalize teams for being successful, like say if you win the title you can only spend 70% of the cap, make the final four and it's 80% and make the playoffs and it's 90%. That's the only way to make several teams competitive. 

It really won't worsen the problem. As we have seen with things like usc. It will make it so that the folks regularly outside of the top 20 won't get anyone but it does mean those top 20 can buy some talent some times. That is already happening now and will get bigger as more people spend.

A salary cap is a stupid idea given all the ways to not have salary and pay people. If also doesn't fix things like state budgets spending massive money on facilities and coaches either. 

Ultimately there isn't going to be parity nor do most people actually want it. They don't want Oregon state competing with Texas. They might want that to end up in an upset now and then, but they don't otherwise care.

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