Ser Drewy Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said: I'm guessing that either that Halbrand fellow or the enigma guy the Harfoots meet is Gandalf with amnesia or something like that. The current update is the Meteor man is a villain and people think it may actually be Sauron... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 "her brother" -- guess they're getting rid of Aegnor and Angrod and just leaving us with Finrod. The "documentary" remark at the end smacks of "themes are for eighth-grade book reports", but right before a single episode has even aired rather than on the verge of a third season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fionwe1987 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Ran said: "her brother" -- guess they're getting rid of Aegnor and Angrod and just leaving us with Finrod. The "documentary" remark at the end smacks of "themes are for eighth-grade book reports", but right before a single episode has even aired rather than on the verge of a third season. So in 50 episodes covering maybe 5-10 years, we're going to get Sauron's return, the forging of the Rings, the Rings being given to the Elves, Dwarves and Men, the collapse of Numenor, Sauron's return, the founding of Arnor and Gondor, and then the war? Compacting so much history into such a small timeframe is a terrible idea. It's one thing for some of these things to happen separately, but if they happen together, the tenor of the entire tale is changed. Also, Isildur is a sailor? Pretty sure he's going to end up getting Aldarion's storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 27 minutes ago, Ser Drewy said: The current update is the Meteor man is a villain and people think it may actually be Sauron... Oh yeah, forgot about that guy. What if they decided to have Earendil come crashing down as a sign of foreboding? The Star of Earendil is no longer visible, the Shadow returns, dark days are coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Drewy Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 20 minutes ago, Ran said: "her brother" -- guess they're getting rid of Aegnor and Angrod and just leaving us with Finrod. The "documentary" remark at the end smacks of "themes are for eighth-grade book reports", but right before a single episode has even aired rather than on the verge of a third season. It's a weird one. Considering how much the dangers of preservation and attempting the prevention of decay plays a theme in Tolkien's concept of the Second Age, as well as the continuing decline of the Elves in Middle-Earth and men's, espescially those gifted with elongated time, fear of death as central developments in the story... too much condensing will surely take a lot away from those elements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Fortunately, it's easy enough to simply not watch. It's interesting to think that once there was a time when it'd be crazy to think that I'd skip a major genre show... but we have an embarrassment of riches these days and now I can watch what I think will actually interest me rather than hoping something will do so just because it's genre, or a beloved story. I've skipped MCU stuff, new Star Wars TV stuff, HBO's Watchmen, several seasons of GoT, Picard, the latest season of Discovery, etc. without feeling like I'm missing anything. Couldn't have imagined that, twenty years ago. This show will just join that particular bin. Amazon is not having a great batting average with me and its originals, I have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASOIAFrelatedusername Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 19 minutes ago, fionwe1987 said: Also, Isildur is a sailor? Pretty sure he's going to end up getting Aldarion's storyline. I doubt it. It is probably just so he can be one of those "underdogs". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvinus85 Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 12 minutes ago, Ran said: Fortunately, it's easy enough to simply not watch. It's interesting to think that once there was a time when it'd be crazy to think that I'd skip a major genre show... but we have an embarrassment of riches these days and now I can watch what I think will actually interest me rather than hoping something will do so just because it's genre, or a beloved story. I've skipped MCU stuff, new Star Wars TV stuff, HBO's Watchmen, several seasons of GoT, Picard, the latest season of Discovery, etc. without feeling like I'm missing anything. Couldn't have imagined that, twenty years ago. This show will just join that particular bin. Amazon is not having a great batting average with me and its originals, I have to say. HBO's Watchmen was a great show. What made you skip it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryk Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 This...doesn't look great. Galadriel as some kind of warrior princess? Not buying it. Young Elrond looks like someone out of Grease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said: HBO's Watchmen was a great show. What made you skip it? It's deeply unethical. DC abused the trust of Alan Moore to hold on to the rights to Watchmen long after originally envisioned, until finally he washed his hands of it all. Lindelof even acknowledged this and then did it anyways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Drewy Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 28 minutes ago, Darryk said: This...doesn't look great. Galadriel as some kind of warrior princess? Not buying it. Young Elrond looks like someone out of Grease. Lindon lovin' had me a blastLindon lovin', happened so fastI met a elf maid crazy for meI met a loremaster, cute as can beLindon days driftin' away, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clueless Northman Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Corvinus85 said: The final paragraph basically gives the story and is the most telling. And frankly I disagree with their decision. They're fine with inventing characters but don't wish to try to develop established characters that live and die in a certain period? A series made by hacks who're basically wanking doing fan-fiction. 2 hours ago, Ser Drewy said: That really doesn't sound like the 'long defeat' of the Second Age to me. The series, on the other hand, will be the "long defeat" for Tolkien and his fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 This sounds like a massive brutalist stinking pile of nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 6 hours ago, fionwe1987 said: So in 50 episodes covering maybe 5-10 years, we're going to get Sauron's return, the forging of the Rings, the Rings being given to the Elves, Dwarves and Men, the collapse of Numenor, Sauron's return, the founding of Arnor and Gondor, and then the war? Compacting so much history into such a small timeframe is a terrible idea. It's one thing for some of these things to happen separately, but if they happen together, the tenor of the entire tale is changed. Also, Isildur is a sailor? Pretty sure he's going to end up getting Aldarion's storyline. The time compression turned my head too. They’re going to make Tolkien’s sub-creation feel very very small… aren’t they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 From the Vanity Fair article… what the hell? Quote she’s struggling for survival on a raft in the storm-swept Sundering Seas alongside a mortal castaway named Halbrand (Charlie Vickers), who is a new character introduced in the show. Galadriel is fighting for the future; Halbrand is running from the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Scot A Ellison Posted February 10, 2022 Author Share Posted February 10, 2022 Elrond is “Politically Ambitious”??? What the hell? Elrond could have attempted to claim the Nolderan High Kingship… and didn’t. How the hell is he “politically ambitious”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ran Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 29 minutes ago, Ser Scot A Ellison said: Elrond is “Politically Ambitious”??? What the hell? Elrond could have attempted to claim the Nolderan High Kingship… and didn’t. How the hell is he “politically ambitious”? Sounds like you were expecting a documentary, Scot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 Yeesh you guys are negative. Not saying you're wrong, but damn. I didn't have much of a problem with what was written in the Vanity Fair puff piece until the end there - the idea that they are squishing the entire Second Age into, apparently, a single lifetime is very disconcerting. I can't help but juxtapose their rationale with The Crown - where Morgan has been entirely fine recasting the entire cast of the same characters every two years to depict their aging. Also agree that the depiction of Galadriel as a warrior princess looks/sounds very stupid. And yeah, Elrond looked pretty douchy, but I'm not gonna draw any conclusions from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhom Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 There are so many ways they could handle a larger timeframe without the (legitimate) concerns of recasting humans every season. Flash forwards and backwards could be used to intertwine stories. The same actors could play descendants. But hey; let’s just make it happen pretty quickly. Probably not a complete dealbreaker before it airs for me… but definitely a strike against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Drewy Posted February 10, 2022 Share Posted February 10, 2022 36 minutes ago, Ran said: Sounds like you were expecting a documentary, Scot. What kind of documentary was everyone expecting? I was hoping for an Attenborough-led one about the migration patterns of Mumakil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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