Mario Seddy Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Didn't the Lannisters already prove their loyalty towards the Baratheons by sacking King's Landing and killing Aerys and his grandchildren. Also wouldn't this send the wrong message to the Dornish that the Lannisters are being rewarded for their crimes against Elia and her children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyser1 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 He didn’t, but: -Tywin was the most powerful and wealthiest man in the kingdoms. Cultivating ties with the Lannisters would be in the interest of a new king. -Cersei was of the right age and considered to be very beautiful, which would appeal to Robert. -The ties of the generation with Stark, Tully, and Arryn were there - a marriage alliance was not necessary. -Less risky to marry a late-to-join ally than a recent enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel Eyes Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Mario Seddy said: Didn't the Lannisters already prove their loyalty towards the Baratheons by sacking King's Landing and killing Aerys and his grandchildren. Also wouldn't this send the wrong message to the Dornish that the Lannisters are being rewarded for their crimes against Elia and her children. Nobody cares for the Dornish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hoare Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 My headcanon is that Jon Arryn is not the honourable man people think he is. He promised a royal marriage to Tywin in exchange of killing Rhaegar's children Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canon Claude Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 On 8/17/2021 at 10:42 PM, The Hoare said: My headcanon is that Jon Arryn is not the honourable man people think he is. He promised a royal marriage to Tywin in exchange of killing Rhaegar's children Tywin didn’t need Jon Arryn’s deal. He made it clear that he wanted to do the dirty deed to make up for being late and to make sure that Robert owed him his reputation. And even if he did, why not bring it up when he’s justifying himself to Tyrion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mormont Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Robert needed to marry to produce a legitimate heir as soon as possible. That marriage needed to strengthen his position politically and strategically and it needed to be to a woman of childbearing age: Arianne Martell was not an option, nor was Asha Greyjoy. Marrying Cersei tied the Lannisters, one of the strongest houses in Westeros, to the fate of the Baratheon regime. As @nyser1 points out, the Baratheons already had the Starks, Tullys and Arryns onside, and besides, the Starks and Arryns had no marriage candidates. Neither did the Tyrells. I suppose Robert could have taken a wife from outside the Great Houses, but that would have been something of a snub to Tywin. Another way to answer the question is that GRRM set things up so that the Cersei/Robert marriage made sense and was realistically Robert's only option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frenin Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 12 hours ago, Canon Claude said: Tywin didn’t need Jon Arryn’s deal. He made it clear that he wanted to do the dirty deed to make up for being late and to make sure that Robert owed him his reputation. And even if he did, why not bring it up when he’s justifying himself to Tyrion? Honestly, even if a lie, saying that the rebels went to him so he did the dirty work for them in exchange of a reward. Paints him in a far better light than he snaking his way to the rebels. The fact that even he himself admits that he was just a Walder Frey, makes it likely that Tywin was simply... a Walder Frey. On 8/18/2021 at 4:42 AM, The Hoare said: My headcanon is that Jon Arryn is not the honourable man people think he is. He promised a royal marriage to Tywin in exchange of killing Rhaegar's children He cannot promise that. Lyanna is alive at this point and neither Ned nor Robert would ever agree to that. And if Arryn was who pushed for the killing of children why would he get cold feet and spare the Targlings for the better part of a decade?? Sometimes a spade is a spade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Cause Doran wouldn't loan him endless money to booze and whore it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted August 26, 2021 Share Posted August 26, 2021 Robert needed to bring the Lannisters to his side because King Viserys III was still a threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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