The Anti-Targ Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 11 hours ago, Chataya de Fleury said: I just found out that two of Pumpkin’s friends from high school are unvaccinated “because we don’t know the long term effects of the vaccines.” Well, I know the short term effects of stupidity… hate to say it, but I hope that these two “kids” (they are 25) don’t get the chance to reproduce. We also know the long term effects of COVID-19 disease, it's called long COVID. Even if the vaccine has long term effects, just like the acute effects of disease vs the acute adverse reactions to the vaccine, there is probably less risk of serious long term effects from being vaccinated than from getting the disease. I wonder if these people still subscribe to MMR vaccine causing autism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall Flower Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 My sister is an emergency nurse on the mid-north coast of NSW. She rang to tell me that she's heading off to Wilcannia in the west of the state to help support the very tough situation that's unfolding there. The town has a very high per-capita number of cases (1 in 15 people), a low level of vaccination especially among the local indigenous population, and a shortage of food supplies that charities are working to alleviate. The indigenous population is very vulnerable to the COVID infection due to a higher level of underlying conditions than in the general population and poorer resourcing in remote regional areas (just one ventilator in the town). Proud of what my sister is doing but anxious for her as well. This situation in this area seems like a real failure of state and federal governments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felice Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 4 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said: 82 cases here today, another day on day increase. The good news is 2nd day in a row with zero cases in Wellington. It's a bit of a concern that we have still seen a day on day increase this far into the outbreak. This means control of the outbreak is not as effective as it could be. How many of the new cases are members of the same households as existing cases? Delta seems to pretty much guarantee that if someone in a household catches it, so will everyone else. And there are very few post-lockdown locations of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DireWolfSpirit Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 U.S. with 190,000 cases yesterday. So much Winning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luzifer's right hand Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Not so great news from Japan. Quote Japan suspends 1.6 mln doses of Moderna shot after contamination reports https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japan-withdraws-16-mln-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-doses-over-contamination-nikkei-2021-08-25/ Difficult to say what really happened at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin of Ice Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Afghanistan vet dies due to gallstones while waiting 7 hours for care because hospitals overwhelmed with COVID patients had no space. Quote When U.S. Army veteran Daniel Wilkinson started feeling sick last week, he went to the hospital in Bellville, Texas, outside Houston. His health problem wasn't related to COVID-19, but Wilkinson needed advanced care, and with the coronavirus filling up intensive care beds, he couldn't get it in time to save his life. "He loved his country," his mother, Michelle Puget, told "CBS This Morning" lead national correspondent David Begnaud. "He served two deployments in Afghanistan, came home with a Purple Heart, and it was a gallstone that took him out." Last Saturday, Wilkinson's mother rushed him to Bellville Medical Center, just three doors down from their home. But for Wilkinson, help was still too far away. Belville emergency room physician Dr. Hasan Kakli treated Wilkinson, and discovered that he had gallstone pancreatitis, something the Belville hospital wasn't equipped to treat. "I do labs on him, I get labs, and the labs come back, and I'm at the computer, and I have one of those 'Oh, crap' moments. If that stone doesn't spontaneously come out and doesn't resolve itself, that fluid just builds up, backs up into the liver, backs up into the pancreas, and starts to shut down those organs. His bloodwork even showed that his kidneys were shutting down." Kakli told Begnaud that his patient was dying right in front of him. Wilkinson needed a higher level of care, but with hospitals across Texas and much of the South overwhelmed with COVID patients, there was no place for him. Kakli recalled making multiple phone calls to other facilities, only to get a lot of, "sorry … sorry … sorry," in reply. Places had the specialists to do the procedure, but because of how sick he was Wilkinson needed intensive care, and they didn't have an ICU bed to put him in. "Then I'm at my computer and, I'm just like, scratching my head, and I get this thought in my head: I'm like, 'What if I put this on Facebook or something, maybe somebody can help out?' One doctor messaged me: 'Hey, I'm in Missouri. Last time I checked, we have ICU beds. We can do this, call this number.' The next guy messages me, he's a GI specialist, he goes, 'I'm in Austin. I can do his procedure, get him over.' I said, 'Okay great, let's go.' He texts me back five minutes later: 'I'm sorry. I can't get administrative approval to accept him, we're full.'" For nearly seven hours Wilkinson waited in an ER bed at Belville. "I had that thought in my head: 'I need to get his mother here right now,'" Kakli said. "I said, 'If he doesn't get this procedure done, he is going to die.' "I also had to have the discussion with him. ''Dan,' I said, 'if your heart stops in front of me right here, what do you want me to do? Do you want me to do everything we can to resuscitate you and try and get your heart back? If that were to happen, Dan, if I were to get you back, we're still in that position we're in right now.'" "He said, 'I want to talk to my mom about that,'" Kakli told CBS News. Finally, a bed opened up at the V.A. hospital in Houston. It was a helicopter ride away. Kakli recalled Wilkinson saying, "Oh, man, I promised myself after Afghanistan I would never be in a helicopter again! … Oh, well, I guess." Wilkinson was airlifted to Houston, but it was too late. "They weren't able to do the procedure on him because it had been too long," his mother told Begnaud. "They] told me that they had seen air pockets in his intestines, which means that they were already starting to die off. They told me that I had to make a decision, and I knew how Danny felt; he didn't want to be that way. And, so, we were all in agreement that we had to let him go." Roughly 24 hours after he walked into the emergency room, Daniel Wilkinson died at the age of 46. I don't want to imagine what the total cost of this will be in all those anti-mask, anti-vax states. Everyone who has a heart attack, stroke, car accident, bad fall, major work or sports injury, etc., who will die or suffer much worse than they needed to because there's nowhere for them to get treatment. But hey, the good people of Texas they chose life instead of living in fear behind a mask, so it's all good, right? Fuckers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karaddin Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 11 hours ago, The Anti-Targ said: 82 cases here today, another day on day increase. The good news is 2nd day in a row with zero cases in Wellington. It's a bit of a concern that we have still seen a day on day increase this far into the outbreak. This means control of the outbreak is not as effective as it could be. But it doesn't yet mean it's out of control. In a few more days if daily cases are still going up in Auckland then "out of control" is a phrase that might start to be used, and that may start to force a rethink of the strategy. I would hate for our detractors to be right that Delta can't be eliminated once it gets this far into a population, but it's a possibility we can't pretend doesn't exist. Unfortunately a big part of it is luck - if none of the initial outbreak pass it on to someone in an essential industry then the quick lockdown still has a chance to work, especially if the government assistance is there. If it gets into the freight and food supply workers then it's pretty damn hard to clear out. I'm hoping you can pull it off. 9 hours ago, Wall Flower said: My sister is an emergency nurse on the mid-north coast of NSW. She rang to tell me that she's heading off to Wilcannia in the west of the state to help support the very tough situation that's unfolding there. ... Proud of what my sister is doing but anxious for her as well. This situation in this area seems like a real failure of state and federal governments. The failure to get vaccines out to communities like Wilcannia is the most damning failure I think we've had. I hope your sister stays safe and they get all the supplies they need to try safeguard the community, I think feeling proud is warranted in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedCrow Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 My dad had successful gall bladder surgery at the age of 93. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prue Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 There's an interesting new hypothesis that Long Covid might be caused by a re-activation of the Epstein-Barr virus. That's the herpes virus that causes the 'kissing disease'. As 90 % have this virus in their body, Covid 19 doesn't need to cause 'long covid' symptoms itself. It can maybe just leave the job to Epstein-Barr... https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/long-covid-epstein-barr-virus-may-offer-clues (No idea if this article is from a respectable source, as I only read an article in a German newspaper originally and just googled for an article in English) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xray the Enforcer Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, Prue said: There's an interesting new hypothesis that Long Covid might be caused by a re-activation of the Epstein-Barr virus. That's the herpes virus that causes the 'kissing disease'. As 90 % have this virus in their body, Covid 19 doesn't need to cause 'long covid' symptoms itself. It can maybe just leave the job to Epstein-Barr... https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/long-covid-epstein-barr-virus-may-offer-clues (No idea if this article is from a respectable source, as I only read an article in a German newspaper originally and just googled for an article in English) Unfortunately, both of the journals where the studies were published are fairly suspect. One is published by a predatory publisher (takes money to publish papers and skimps on peer review), and the other has had to retract a number of studies for shoddy peer review (and might also be predatory, based on its business model coupled with the shoddy peer-review process). The research itself might be solid, of course, but I'd wait for a larger study published in a non-sketchy journal to feel comfortable with those findings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clueless Northman Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Paladin of Ice said: Afghanistan vet dies due to gallstones while waiting 7 hours for care because hospitals overwhelmed with COVID patients had no space. I don't want to imagine what the total cost of this will be in all those anti-mask, anti-vax states. Everyone who has a heart attack, stroke, car accident, bad fall, major work or sports injury, etc., who will die or suffer much worse than they needed to because there's nowhere for them to get treatment. But hey, the good people of Texas they chose life instead of living in fear behind a mask, so it's all good, right? Fuckers. Anti-vaxx are literally murderous scum. I wish there'll be a way to make them pay for their crimes, either right now or when this mess is finally over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zorral Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-sees-spike-in-poison-calls-for-horse-and-cow-dewormer-ivermectin-despite-fda-warning/287-57a97ba4-ea7a-42b7-adda-e8618b35d9fd Also some places are running out of the supplies they need to treat animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 10 hours ago, felice said: How many of the new cases are members of the same households as existing cases? Delta seems to pretty much guarantee that if someone in a household catches it, so will everyone else. And there are very few post-lockdown locations of interest. My thoughts exactly. So long as the cases remain contained in Auckland, within identifiable clusters, we should be on top of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 On 8/26/2021 at 10:04 PM, A Horse Named Stranger said: Glad to hear it. Unlike BionTech/Pfizer with Moderna the first jab is supposedly the nasty one. As stated above, based on my experience I can't confirm that, but that's what I've been told. So the second round will hopefully be smooth sailing for you. I also wonder, whether @Theda Baratheon had her sense of taste returned and thus (as some sorta cruel punishment by the gods) can now fully enjoy the all the flavours of the British cuisine - both salt and vinegar - again. I got it back in the end and went straight back to gorging myself on battered halloumi and chips thank you very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Theda Baratheon said: I got it back in the end and went straight back to gorging myself on battered halloumi and chips thank you very much Not judging you on your choice of snacks/treats. But glad you're better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theda Baratheon Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 hour ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: Not judging you on your choice of snacks/treats. But glad you're better. it was definitely a very strange experience! Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Theda Baratheon said: it was definitely a very strange experience! Thank you If only someone had a beautiful voice perfect to narrate the experience. I wonder where we could find her.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A True Kaniggit Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: If only someone had a beautiful voice perfect to narrate the experience. I wonder where we could find her.... Well I wouldn’t refer to my voice as beautiful, but I’ll do what needs to be done. Also, I am a him, not a her. Oh shit. You weren’t talking about me. How embarrassing for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse Named Stranger Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said: If only someone had a beautiful voice perfect to narrate the experience. I wonder where we could find her.... This is about the missing girls from campus across Minnesota? I am not chiding you on your hobbies, but I am telling you to be discrete. Law Enforcement might be stupid, but no reason to push your luck, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Chatywin et al. Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, A True Kaniggit said: Well I wouldn’t refer to my voice as beautiful, but I’ll do what needs to be done. Also, I am a him, not a her. Oh shit. You weren’t talking about me. How embarrassing for you. If it makes you feel better, you're the least awful smelling penguin in Louisiana. 7 minutes ago, A Horse Named Stranger said: This is about the missing girls from campus across Minnesota? I am not chiding you on your hobbies, but I am telling you to be discrete. Law Enforcement might be stupid, but no reason to push your luck, bro. Eh, I once got out of a ticket by asking the cop for a screwdriver to fix my brake. I had ran a stop sign while smoking a joint and had a large bag of weed in the trunk. Got off with just a warning. So @Mindwalker, that's what GTBW means. Double up if you're a preppy kid in a nice car breaking laws in WASP city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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