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Poor Bob Woodward, having had to spend so much of the time he has left, on a greasy, negative and depressing character of deciept and corruption like our former President.

He probably needs to spend months at a recovery spa just to move on from the disgusting subject he's had to write about.

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Watching Chuck Todd interview Sen. Cassidy on Meet the Press is embarrassing. Lie after lie and he can't even challenge him on the basics. 

 

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2 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

he can't even challenge him on the basics. 

I've been thinking for years the major networks should just picture there interviewers performing fellatio on the guests. That's probably a more accurate display of whats involved than passing this garbage off as journalism.

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Clyburn, Yarmuth say Congress might miss Sept. 27 infrastructure deadline
“That’s why we have so much work going on now,” Jim Clyburn said.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/09/19/clyburn-yarmuth-congress-infrastructure-deadline-512751

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Reps. Jim Clyburn and John Yarmuth both said Sunday that there is a chance Congress will not vote in time to meet the Sept. 27 deadline for the bipartisan infrastructure bill.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi set a date of Sept. 27 for the infrastructure bill the Senate passed in August, which some progressives in the party only agreed to support if the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill was voted on as well. Appearing on CNN’s “State of the Union,” Clyburn (D-S.C.) , the House majority whip, said that the passage of the infrastructure bill may not be doable in the time frame since the reconciliation package won’t be done by that time.


“That’s why we have so much work going on now,” Clyburn said. “Our leadership is on this. We are working with everybody in all corners of our party. They’re trying to get to a common ground on all of these issues. And now few are very comfortable that we are going to get there.”


He added: “The question is, are we going to work to get to our goal for Sept. 27? Yes, we are going to work hard to reach that goal, and sometimes you have to kind of stop the clock to get to the goal. We’ll do what’s necessary to get there.“

 

 

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Its okay, Manchin wants to wait until next year in a classic run out the clock situation 

 

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Joe Manchin dreams where a ton of rocks slide on his noggin, well that's the kind of thing that makes me smile in my sleep.

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Manchin is getting high on his own supply. 

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9 hours ago, Tywin et al. said:

Watching Chuck Todd interview Sen. Cassidy on Meet the Press is embarrassing. Lie after lie and he can't even challenge him on the basics. 

 

 

6 hours ago, DireWolfSpirit said:

I've been thinking for years the major networks should just picture there interviewers performing fellatio on the guests. That's probably a more accurate display of whats involved than passing this garbage off as journalism.

Just saw Tapper do a pretty good interview on Mississippi Governor Reeves (albeit without much barking) where he did a pretty decent job hitting Reeves over the hypocrisy of Reeves calling Biden's vaccine mandate tyranny while his state also mandates plenty of vaccines for school kids, pointing out that if Miss was its own country it would have the second worst rate of per capita COVID deaths in the entire world, and that despite that Reeves has no intention of changing his approach whatsoever. (Reeves, btw, is the same asshole who said not long ago that they weren't afraid of COVID in the South because they believe in an eternal afterlife.)

The best Reeves could do to try to spin away from it is to bring up some whataboutism about how poorly other, mostly red states are doing with COVID, and Tapper didn't even let him get away with that either. (So much for teamwork among red states.) It was a welcome sight to see in the media, and while I have no hope of getting a Democrat in, even on a Doug Jones-Roy Moore type fluke, I do hope things like this help bring down the career of Reeves.

Anyway, here's a link to the full interview.

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One point of leverage against Manchin that hasn't been mentioned much here or otherwise is stripping him of his committee assignments - namely as chair of Energy & Natural Resources.  It may well affect a party change, but the card is there to play.

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30 minutes ago, DMC said:

One point of leverage against Manchin that hasn't been mentioned much here or otherwise is stripping him of his committee assignments - namely as chair of Energy & Natural Resources.  It may well affect a party change, but the card is there to play.

I don't see how losing the majority is a card to play against him.

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14 minutes ago, Kaligator said:

I don't see how losing the majority is a card to play against him.

The party switch is the downside.  The card is his chairmanship.  Is the GOP willing to offer that position in return?  Maybe, but I doubt it.

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1 minute ago, DMC said:

The party switch is the downside.  The card is his chairmanship.  Is the GOP willing to offer that position in return?  Maybe, but I doubt it.

I don't see how its a downside either. He gets maybe less power but regains his seats and likely gets more popular in WV? 

I guess I don't understand how forcing him to the other party is a particularly big threat against him. 

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Just now, Kaligator said:

I don't see how its a downside either.

Because being chair of Energy & Natural Resources is vital to his influence on the Hill.

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2 minutes ago, DMC said:

The party switch is the downside.  The card is his chairmanship.  Is the GOP willing to offer that position in return?  Maybe, but I doubt it.

McConnell would giftwrap it to Manchin if it meant he becomes Majority Leader again. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Tywin et al. said:

McConnell would giftwrap it to Manchin if it meant he becomes Majority Leader again. 

 

I don't know if that's true.  I also don't know if Manchin wants to risk changing parties and then obviously being heavily primaried as a Republican if he runs again.  It is a risk, I'm not denying that, but it is also a legit card to play.

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4 minutes ago, DMC said:

I don't know if that's true.  I also don't know if Manchin wants to risk changing parties and then obviously being heavily primaried as a Republican if he runs again.  It is a risk, I'm not denying that, but it is also a legit card to play.

I'm confused - weren't you the one saying how the progressives had more leverage than folks were saying - are you saying now that the card they have left to play is basically forcing Manchin out of the party?

What changed to give Manchin so much more leverage?

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So what makes Manchin a Democrat in the ideological sense? Or is he just a "cultural" Democrat who is much more a natural Republican? Why would he switch parties in a fit of pique unless he is ideologically Republican?

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Just now, Kaligator said:

I'm confused - weren't you the one saying how the progressives had more leverage than folks were saying - are you saying now that the card they have left to play is basically forcing Manchin out of the party?

I'm saying it's more leverage that hasn't been mentioned.  As by me prefacing the statement with "One point of leverage against Manchin that hasn't been mentioned much here or otherwise is..."

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