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1 hour ago, DMC said:

How?  Pelosi and the House leadership have been very clear they're going to design the bill specifically under the auspice that it will also pass the Senate.  I'm hard pressed to see how Manchin, or Sinema, would agree to a deal that wouldn't get the necessary votes in the House.

I think House progressives are much more likely to sink a compromise bill than Senate progressives. Not to say that Senate progressives are willing to give up everything. But Sanders, Warren, etc. have always shown a much more pragmatic streak than, say, "the squad" (excluding AOC herself, who actually is very pragmatic). 

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11 minutes ago, Fez said:

I think House progressives are much more likely to sink a compromise bill than Senate progressives. Not to say that Senate progressives are willing to give up everything. But Sanders, Warren, etc. have always shown a much more pragmatic streak than, say, "the squad" (excluding AOC herself, who actually is very pragmatic). 

I seriously doubt this personally. Especially if they get most of what they want. This is their chance to get spending done in a way that hasn't been done in 30 years or so, and I don't think they're going to sink anything unless it's monumentally bad. Furthermore, I think Pelosi has them entirely onboard and in alignment, because that is exactly what Pelosi is good at and has been good at for 20 years. 

If there are defectors they'll be calculated ones that might have a challenging election coming up, and only so many will be allowed. 

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36 minutes ago, Fez said:

I think House progressives are much more likely to sink a compromise bill than Senate progressives. Not to say that Senate progressives are willing to give up everything. But Sanders, Warren, etc. have always shown a much more pragmatic streak than, say, "the squad" (excluding AOC herself, who actually is very pragmatic). 

Well, this is probably true in terms of sheer numbers, but it doesn't matter much.  The operative question is if Biden, Pelosi, Schumer et al. can reach a deal with Manchin, then subsequently whether such a deal would not be palatable to the House moderate/centrist holdouts.  Of course that's possible, but I don't know of any reason to believe that's the case.

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Ugh. Mansion in an interview, about AOC: "I don't know the young lady very well..." Condescending asshole. Oops, sorry. I don't know the old geezer very well...

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3 hours ago, Mindwalker said:

Ugh. Mansion in an interview, about AOC: "I don't know the young lady very well..." Condescending asshole. Oops, sorry. I don't know the old geezer very well...

He's an asshole, and he gets on all these Sunday shows fueling his ego, and doesn't have a single good answer for any of the questions they were obviously going to ask him. Manchin is as corrupt as they come, and the shit with his daughter is infuriating. 

We can't even get modest climate action enacted because he's such a POS.

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okay....

 

any potential republican house members that might conceivably vote for the 3.5 trillion package (or whatever the final number happens to be).  Maybe a few of them get really blitzed before the vote or something and just go with the dem's?   

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The Patriotic Millionaires are stepping into the nightmare of moderates in the senate and the house resisting the legislation of their own party.

They see these infrastructure bills as necessary for many reasons, one of the primary reasons being that taxes must be raised on the mega-rich. 

 

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This is ... rich! Ha!

You know, like as to the shoggoth's yuckety horrible wife was never even a model, much less a guest* much less a celebrity da da da dah at the annual Metropolitan Museum's Annual Gala. The invitation to participate or to attend -- attendance for the rich is invitation only to buy a seat -- is the signature of those who matter, as well as the rich and famous?  The Gala returned last night.  Among the guests was Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

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"And there was something actually, really normal about Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) coming in a beautiful mermaid-tail white dress from Black designer Aurora James with red letters the back reading, “Tax the Rich"

Coverage in the WaPo and NY Times etc. etc. etc.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/met-gala-2021-red-carpet/2021/09/13/3d641660-14d1-11ec-9589-31ac3173c2e5_story.html

But as these are paywalled, you might not be able to see the dress, but you can see it here:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/aoc-met-gala-taxtherich/2021/09/13/id/1036258/

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Amanda Gorman, poet and co-chair of the gala, wore a bright blue dress designed by Vera Wang. She carried a clutch that looked like a book titled “Give Us Your Tired.
 

https://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2021/09/13/style/met-gala-photos-red-carpet/s/met-gala-calla-517.html

AG looked extraordinarily beautiful.

The costumes (this is a benefit, btw, for the Museum) seemed even more over the top than usual!  Many protesters too on the sidewalks, for racial justice.

I have become a loyal spectator of the Gala since making two friends back in the day who every year get hired by Somebodies to help design and fabricate costumes. 

* I recall back in the day there was a youth here who declared she was a super model. No way. She was an undocumented immigrant and 'escort' -- not a model -- who married criminal / grifter.  Additionally, no fashion sense whatsoever, unlike AOC and Amanda Gorman, who possess more sense of how to dress for what when in their pinkies than that witch has in the entire spread of her silicone injected chest.

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Looks like Indiana Republicans are going for a status quo 7R-2D congressional map to protect their incumbents from primaries, rather than going for a maximal 8R-1D map (which I think they could actually accomplish pretty easily). If more Republicans end up following suite, redistricting won't end up being nearly as large a bogeyman this time around.

Though, of course, the map hasn't been approved yet so things could still change.

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40 minutes ago, Babblebauble said:

Wait, what?

It's the 2021 Met Gala Celebrating In America: A Lexicon Of Fashion at Metropolitan Museum of Art on September 13, 2021 in New York, Part I.  This is part of the Big Reopening of New York, with Broadway shows, Fashion Week, which does, usually, happen at this time of the year, all sorts of EVENTS, attended by the movers, shakers and celebrated.  Who is at the Met Gala says a lot about the political landscape too -- who's in, who is out.  The mayor and his family were there last night, but the new governor wasn't, and surely the resigned governor had been dis-invited, otherwise he'd have been all over >ah-hem< it.

Also this was part one, with the emphasis upon the young and very young, including a lot of Instagram and TikTok influencers.  This was the 'hip' part.  The next part, which will be in May,  which is the usual month for the annual event, will feature older and truly powerful sorts.

Most notably for those of us who follow politics locally and nationally, the tRumps have never ever been personas gratas at the Gala.

This is the easiest way to see what this is all about, and its commentary on the state of the US.

https://www.nydailynews.com/snyde/ny-met-gala-2021-best-worst-red-carpet-fashions-20210913-uajwuruoojadnatszz5q7lig3e-photogallery.html

 

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Lots of juicy gossip from the new Woodward/Costa book:

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Then Milley received a blunt phone call from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, according to the book. Woodward and Costa exclusively obtained a transcript of the call, during which Milley tried to reassure Pelosi that the nuclear weapons were safe.

Pelosi pushed back.

"What I'm saying to you is that if they couldn't even stop him from an assault on the Capitol, who even knows what else he may do? And is there anybody in charge at the White House who was doing anything but kissing his fat butt all over this?"

Pelosi continued, "You know he's crazy. He's been crazy for a long time."

According to Woodward and Costa, Milley responded, "Madam Speaker, I agree with you on everything."

After the call, Milley decided he had to act. He told his top service chiefs to watch everything "all the time." He called the director of the National Security Agency, Paul Nakasone, and told him, "Needles up ... keep watching, scan." And he told then-CIA Director Gina Haspel, "Aggressively watch everything, 360."

The authors write, 'Milley was overseeing the mobilization of America's national security state without the knowledge of the American people or the rest of the world.'

Woodward and Costa also write that 'some might contend that Milley had overstepped his authority and taken extraordinary power for himself,' but he believed his actions were 'a good faith precaution to ensure there was no historic rupture in the international order, no accidental war with China or others, and no use of nuclear weapons.'

Other highlights include Steve Bannon saying "We're going to bury Biden on January 6th, fucking bury him" and Trump telling Pence he "didn't want to be your friend anymore" if he didn't overturn the election results.

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Just now, DMC said:

Lots of juicy gossip from the new Woodward/Costa book:

Other highlights include Steve Bannon saying "We're going to bury Biden on January 6th, fucking bury him" and Trump telling Pence he "didn't want to be your friend anymore" if he didn't overturn the election results.

Yeah, it's some intense stuff. Sounds like there was basically a 12-day coup starting on January 8 and it's for the best that it happened. 

Also, a surprising cameo from Dan Quayle; he's the one who convinced Pence that there was no option but to certify the election results.

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51 minutes ago, Zorral said:

It's the 2021 Met Gala Celebrating In America: A Lexicon Of Fashion at Metropolitan Museum of Art on September 13, 2021 in New York, Part I.  This is part of the Big Reopening of New York, with Broadway shows, Fashion Week, which does, usually, happen at this time of the year, all sorts of EVENTS, attended by the movers, shakers and celebrated.  Who is at the Met Gala says a lot about the political landscape too -- who's in, who is out.  The mayor and his family were there last night, but the new governor wasn't, and surely the resigned governor had been dis-invited, otherwise he'd have been all over >ah-hem< it.

Also this was part one, with the emphasis upon the young and very young, including a lot of Instagram and TikTok influencers.  This was the 'hip' part.  The next part, which will be in May,  which is the usual month for the annual event, will feature older and truly powerful sorts.

Most notably for those of us who follow politics locally and nationally, the tRumps have never ever been personas gratas at the Gala.

This is the easiest way to see what this is all about, and its commentary on the state of the US.

https://www.nydailynews.com/snyde/ny-met-gala-2021-best-worst-red-carpet-fashions-20210913-uajwuruoojadnatszz5q7lig3e-photogallery.html

 

So are you against this gala and it's attendees or in favor of it/them? You reference the gala like it's something you like, but then heaped praise on people who you said were protesting it. I'm not sure who the villains are besides the Trumps, who you said have never gone.

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1 minute ago, Fez said:

Yeah, it's some intense stuff. Sounds like there was basically a 12-day coup starting on January 8 and it's for the best that it happened. 

Also, a surprising cameo from Dan Quayle; he's the one who convinced Pence that there was no option but to certify the election results.

Yeah, while it's basically impossible to disagree with the last paragraph I quoted - that Milley's actions were ultimately necessary - it is still concerning that the Joint Chiefs chair could execute such a centralization of authority upon himself.

And yeah, loved the Quayle cameo as well.  At first I thought it was interesting he chose to seek advice from Quayle over Cheney, then I remembered the Indiana connection.

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1 hour ago, Zorral said:

This is ... rich! Ha!

You know, like as to the shoggoth's yuckety horrible wife was never even a model, much less a guest* much less a celebrity da da da dah at the annual Metropolitan Museum's Annual Gala. The invitation to participate or to attend -- attendance for the rich is invitation only to buy a seat -- is the signature of those who matter, as well as the rich and famous?  The Gala returned last night.  Among the guests was Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Coverage in the WaPo and NY Times etc. etc. etc.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/met-gala-2021-red-carpet/2021/09/13/3d641660-14d1-11ec-9589-31ac3173c2e5_story.html

But as these are paywalled, you might not be able to see the dress, but you can see it here:

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/aoc-met-gala-taxtherich/2021/09/13/id/1036258/

https://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2021/09/13/style/met-gala-photos-red-carpet/s/met-gala-calla-517.html

AG looked extraordinarily beautiful.

The costumes (this is a benefit, btw, for the Museum) seemed even more over the top than usual!  Many protesters too on the sidewalks, for racial justice.

I have become a loyal spectator of the Gala since making two friends back in the day who every year get hired by Somebodies to help design and fabricate costumes. 

* I recall back in the day there was a youth here who declared she was a super model. No way. She was an undocumented immigrant and 'escort' -- not a model -- who married criminal / grifter.  Additionally, no fashion sense whatsoever, unlike AOC and Amanda Gorman, who possess more sense of how to dress for what when in their pinkies than that witch has in the entire spread of her silicone injected chest.

I agree that I loved the fashion and the exuberance on display.  However, I have to say, I did not care for AOC's dress as a piece of art.  She is lovely, and would probably look good in a paper bag (which, btw, would have been an interesting artistic choice), but I didn't care for the early 2000s wedding dress vibe of the thing.

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2 hours ago, Zorral said:

* I recall back in the day there was a youth here who declared she was a super model. No way. She was an undocumented immigrant and 'escort' -- not a model -- who married criminal / grifter. 

That's a bit over the top.

True, she was not a super model. Plain and simple. She was a working model, I think that's the terminus technicus. Basically, her model jobs paid the rent and put food on her table. She then concluded, that she wouldn't hit it big with her model career, and decided to marry a seemingly rich guy, who was in the market for a trophy wife, and she jumped at that opportunity. I said as much, when somebody refered to her as a super model back in the day. If you want to call her a golddigger, who hit a brass mine, that'd be your words, not mine.

 

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It looks like Newsom will win his recall pretty handily (famous last words). What I find fascinating is that there will be many Republicans casting their votes in this election fully expecting the results to be fraudulent. Is this some sort of masochism they are indulging in? Are they holding out hope that the 'true true' results will be discovered in an audit? To quote Spock 'fascinating'.

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