The winds of winter predictions

[Daenerysthegreat]

Just now, Jaenara Belarys said:

We have Tyrion and Dany chapters for that. No need of fifteen Barristan chapters. We only need about, oh, 3-6. To cover the Battle of Meereen and the aftermath, Dany returning, Tyrion trying to weasel his way in.....

Tyrion is not a major player in meereen nor can he be. 

Dany won't return until like halfway through the book. 

If fifteen barristan chapters are two much reduce them to ten. But barristan's role is important. 

Its like this 

Tyrion and sansa were both in kings landing and were both pov. But we had more Tyrion chapters since his arc directly dealt with the politics there. We couldn't have seen kings landing only through sansa. Similarly we need barristan chapters for the politics

Plus there is barristans character arc

[WhatAnArtist!]

6 minutes ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

Dany won't return until like halfway through the book. 

No evidence of this whatsoever 

[LynnS]

I have no predictions at this point.  But I will make a guess that Howland Reed is the Mad Mouse, the one who runs toward danger (as first responders do).  That his story of being a bounty hunter is a cover and he intends to attach himself to Sansa for her protection. 

[Daenerysthegreat]

18 minutes ago, WhatAnArtist! said:

No evidence of this whatsoever 

It's a prediction 

[Jaenara Belarys]

1 hour ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

It's a prediction 

You criticize other people for treating R+L=J as fact, but when you say something and treat it as a fact it's excused. 

1 hour ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

Tyrion is not a major player in meereen nor can he be. 

 

Chances are that he'll serve at the very least an intermediary for the sellsword companies, idk. 

[Nevets]

13 hours ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

Tyrion is not a major player in meereen nor can he be. 

Dany won't return until like halfway through the book. 

If fifteen barristan chapters are two much reduce them to ten. But barristan's role is important. 

Its like this 

Tyrion and sansa were both in kings landing and were both pov. But we had more Tyrion chapters since his arc directly dealt with the politics there. We couldn't have seen kings landing only through sansa. Similarly we need barristan chapters for the politics

Plus there is barristans character arc

You have forgotten something.  Meereen is not that important.  It was a training ground for Daenerys to get some experience with actually running something.  Now, she is off to gather up the Dothraki, and it's left to Tyrion to sort things out.  That shouldn't take 10 chapters, and what there is Tyrion can tell.  By the way, Barristan has no character arc to speak of.  He is purely support. 

We also don't need 9 chapters for Arianne either.  And whether you like it or not, Sansa, Arya, and Bran are main characters and will need chapter counts that reflect that.  They are in coming-of-age stories and aren't leaving the story anytime soon. 

[Daenerysthegreat]

3 hours ago, Nevets said:

You have forgotten something.  Meereen is not that important.  It was a training ground for Daenerys to get some experience with actually running something.  Now, she is off to gather up the Dothraki, and it's left to Tyrion to sort things out.  That shouldn't take 10 chapters, and what there is Tyrion can tell.  By the way, Barristan has no character arc to speak of.  He is purely support. 

We also don't need 9 chapters for Arianne either.  And whether you like it or not, Sansa, Arya, and Bran are main characters and will need chapter counts that reflect that.  They are in coming-of-age stories and aren't leaving the story anytime soon. 

It is important whether you like it or not. What's your issue with meereen? How are the politics of slaver's bay less important than that of westeros. Why is it boring? 

Arya, sansa and bran are main characters I never said they're not. They didn't have that much chapters in the last two books so they don't have that much now. Simple there are other interesting characters who also need to resolve their arcs. 

Arianne is a major pov. If you don't like her stop reading the books as she is going to have to play a major role. Why do you have a issue with every storyline that doesn't have an white western character in it? 

How on earth will any meereenese let tyrion rule them. Barristan is important and that's a fact. You can reduce his chapters to 10

If you'll notice there aren't that much asha chapters as well. 

[Daenerysthegreat]

15 hours ago, Jaenara Belarys said:

 

Chances are that he'll serve at the very least an intermediary for the sellsword companies, idk. 

Yes so it's not that important a position

[WhatAnArtist!]

8 hours ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

How are the politics of slaver's bay less important than that of westeros

Well, the main reason would be that only two PoVs are currently in Meereen as of the end of ADwD, compared with sixteen in Westeros....

[Jaenara Belarys]

14 hours ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

Yes so it's not that important a position

LMFAO, hundreds of good soldiers who could rip your city to shreds if they could aren't important? Besides, did you read the Barristan chapter for TWOW that was released? Meereen's chances will rise or fall on the whim of the sellswords, and you say that's not important? 

[Daenerysthegreat]

5 hours ago, Jaenara Belarys said:

LMFAO, hundreds of good soldiers who could rip your city to shreds if they could aren't important? Besides, did you read the Barristan chapter for TWOW that was released? Meereen's chances will rise or fall on the whim of the sellswords, and you say that's not important? 

Ok i acknowledge that sellswords is important but brown Ben plumm will be the chief representative of the second sons not tyrion. 

Why would barristan listen to tyrion lannister of all people? He will more likely listen to tyrion. 

12 hours ago, WhatAnArtist! said:

Well, the main reason would be that only two PoVs are currently in Meereen as of the end of ADwD, compared with sixteen in Westeros....

That doesn't mean anything I was asking why meereen and it's politics are less important than say the lannisters plot, the tyrells etc

[WhatAnArtist!]

57 minutes ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

That doesn't mean anything I was asking why meereen and it's politics are less important than say the lannisters plot, the tyrells etc

No, you didn't specify that, you just said "Westeros" without any elaboration. 

[Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers]

1 hour ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

Ok i acknowledge that sellswords is important but brown Ben plumm will be the chief representative of the second sons not tyrion. 

Why would barristan listen to tyrion lannister of all people? He will more likely listen to tyrion. 

Tyrion is westerosi and Barristan tends to trust Westerosi more than foreigners. This is exhibited by using Archibald and Gerris who I think will be hired by Tyrion along with the Second Sons and Windblown to take back Casterly Rock from Cersei. And also, your sentence contradicts itself. Not sure if that’s a typo but…..

[Daenerysthegreat]

8 minutes ago, Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers said:

Tyrion is westerosi and Barristan tends to trust Westerosi more than foreigners. 

Ok first of all barristan may trust westerosi over foreigners but tyrion is a lannister. His father murdered rhaenys and aegon and laid their bodies to the usurper. His brother murdered his rightful king. Tyrion himself is a kinslayer, a religious barristan will surely despise tyrion. 

Tyrion is the worst westerosi according to barristan. Tyrion himself knows that. That's why he didn't reveal himself to daenerys in daznak's pit because barristan selmy was next to her. 

11 minutes ago, Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers said:

 This is exhibited by using Archibald and Gerris who I think will be hired by Tyrion along with the Second Sons and Windblown to take back Casterly Rock from Cersei.

Barristan doesn't send them because they are westerosi he sends them because they and quentyn had a contract with the tattered prince so he will be open to negotiations with them as middlemen. He also sends pretty merris I think. 

These two have zero reason to trust tyrion. And tyrion doesn't have anything to offer them except his um pillar. And that's not that valuable. So tyrion can't hire anyone of them. And even if he did, the 2500 something sellsword army can't take  casterly rock. 

16 minutes ago, Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers said:

Not sure if that’s a typo but…..

How? I apologize for any inconvenience caused

[Jaenara Belarys]

11 hours ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

Ok i acknowledge that sellswords is important but brown Ben plumm will be the chief representative of the second sons not tyrion. 

 

And how is Ser Barristan going to trust Brown Ben, the turncloak? Even if Brown Ben says that he always intended to switch back over, how's Barristan going to trust him? You would need each part of your army to know that the man next to him isn't going to run off at the first sign of losing in order for your army to hold together.  

[Daenerysthegreat]

1 hour ago, Jaenara Belarys said:

And how is Ser Barristan going to trust Brown Ben, the turncloak? Even if Brown Ben says that he always intended to switch back over, how's Barristan going to trust him? You would need each part of your army to know that the man next to him isn't going to run off at the first sign of losing in order for your army to hold together.  

When did I say barristan would trust plumm. He wouldn't trust plumm because plumm is a sellsword. In the world of ice and fire, only fools trust sellswords and Ser barristan is no fool. He know he can work with plumm but he will never trust him. 

Tyrion is worse for reasons already.explained 

Although if it does come to trust situation the chain. will go like this

Plumm turncloak>Tyrion lannister, kinslayer turncloak. 

Plus tyrion's darling sister and nephew threw barristan out of the kingsguard. 

Plus people like barristan have a very very small bias on looks. So that's another point against tyrion though a small and insignificant one

[Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers]

12 hours ago, Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers said:

Why would barristan listen to tyrion lannister of all people? He will more likely listen to tyrion.

@Daenerysthegreat

[Daenerysthegreat]

7 hours ago, Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers said:

@Daenerysthegreat

Typing mistake

[Brynden"Bloodraven" Rivers]

11 minutes ago, Daenerysthegreat said:

Typing mistake

Yup it’s fine was just pointing out that your sentence contradicted itself

[Brother Seamus]

On 10/11/2021 at 9:36 PM, Daenerysthegreat said:

Jon Snow is dead his arc is over. He has nothing to do as mel is our pov at the wall now. 

Arya stark is dead, or dying she will be dead soon. The faceless woman will kill her. Her face will be one of the many used by the faceless man. 

It was written that they were main characters but that was 28 years ago. The author will change this given the time he is taking writing the series. 

Barristan selmy has been one of the important characters since asos. Robb also wasn't a pov does that mean robb was not important, was robb supporting cast. 

 

 

No offense but this is a severe misunderstanding of what this story is about.

At its core it's about a family that is dispersed in multiple directions and suffers a series of horrible tragedies - middle son crippled; father, mother, and older brother killed; their home destroyed and then occupied; their extended community of dependents, friends, and allies killed, dispersed, or subjugated; their homeland subjugated; their mother's nearby homeland ravaged by war  - and the remaining siblings, the oldest of whom Jon, is only 15, lose contact and knowledge of where each other are. each is alone, vulnerable, and completely bereft.

The engine, the driving force of the story is the reunification of the Starks and the resurrection of the family and what it stood for.

Everything else - the war of the five kings, Dany, esteros, mereen, dorne, the wall, the wildlings, even the others  - is background.

Bran is the central protagonist, with Arya very close second/co-protagonist. Tyrion is next, and he has special status as the author's alter ego, but the emotional core of the story is what happens to Bran, Arya, Jon, and Sansa, in basically that order.

Of course, the stark's roles in the other conflicts and stories and how they interact with the other main characters - Dany and Tyrion, in particular - is important and really the meat of the story. For example, how the starks figure into the eventual resistance to the others (which will be related to how they played into their origins centuries ago)  is, i suspect, the big story and big mystery of the books.

But asoiaf is at its core about children losing their parents and their home, being dispersed to the four winds, and then coming back together and prevailing.

of course GRRM could change this, as you suggest, but he won't. He's not the greatest artist ever of the english language ever, but he's a more than competent story teller, and what you're suggesting would be awful and disastrous.